On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 04:44:32AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > That's because it doesn't make any sense. Debian's ideology has always > been that pragmatism is more important than ideology: that's why we've > said "hey, look, we strongly believe in free software, but you know, > if you don't that's fine with us, here, let us help you with that". Pragmatism _is_ an ideology (at least, that's what I learned when we read James in philosophy class). Stated very crudely, I understand it to be an ideology that stresses the value of expediency over efforts to achieve distant or unattainable states. > What you're saying above is that ideology should be *more important* than > pragmatism, since what goes in the social contract is definitively more > important than stuff that doesn't: we require new maintainers to agree > to it, we expect existing maintainers to conform to it at all times, Er, well, maybe not *all* the time, at least not as I and others understand clause 1 of the Social Contract.[1] > We already have a group that'll put ideology before everything else; > that's what the FSF is for. This is a relativistic sort of statement. The Debian Project is commonly critiqued from without as being hopelessly idealistic[2]. > > It's a distinction > > I'm not surprised that not everybody see but it is important to me. > > Mmm. You're very special. Is it really necessary to adopt this belittling tone? > Just because supporting non-free software doesn't have any moral value > for you, doesn't mean that's the same for everyone. Does supporting non-free software have a moral value for *you*? If so, can you explain how that moral value is contingent upon the opinions of your peers[3]? [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html [2] I am too lazy to provide a URL here, but it's a perennial complaint in the comments to any Slashdot article that mentions Debian. [3] "there's no way I'm going to put up with that sort of crap over something that's specifically had 75% of interested developers say they don't care about it."[4] [4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200311/msg00113.html -- G. Branden Robinson | I am only good at complaining. Debian GNU/Linux | You don't want me near your code. branden@debian.org | -- Dan Jacobson http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
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