Re: expiry announcement
Well, your e-mail was so illogical and senseless that I almost wonder
if it's worth my time reading it, but I'll reply anyway.
John Galt <galt@inconnu.isu.edu> writes:
> > On what basis do you claim it's "extra-constitutional"?
>
> Simple, there is nothing within the constitution that allows amending the
> SC. This makes the process extra-constitutional. To use the precise
I see, so you flame me for doing something that is
extra-constitutional, but mere paragraphs later you chide me because
it's something that's under debate. Doesn't make much sense.
> > Pardon me, but this is just stupid trolling.
>
> So were your messages about Darren Benham (sp?) being MIA and IWJ being
> MIA, but you wrote them. Sauce for the goose and all that...
Uh, why do you think that my GR expired? Hint: it wasn't because the
Secretary was present and accounted for.
> > The Constitution is the process by which my GR must proceed. When, or
> > whether, I am an "adherent" of the Constitution is irrelevant. The
> > fact is, it's there, and I follow it in these procedural matters just
> > like anyone else.
>
> Do you? You could've fooled me. First of all, where is the
> constitutional basis for your publically posting numerous emails about
> $gremlin_of_the_moment not doing their jobs or being MIA? Second, the
I do not require constitutional permission to post to a mailing list.
Neither do you.
> constitutionality of the GR is a matter for debate, so logically that
Obviously.
> means that there are those that would take exception to your quote about
> following the constitution, including myself. Thirdly and most
Obviously. "There is debate so people disagree." Wow, how profound.
> importantly, point out in the constitution where it claims precedence
> and/or authority over already published papers--the SC was published in
§4.1(5)
> Jun '97, the Debian Constitution was proposed in 9/98 and ratified
> in 12/98. What you proposed would be akin to using the US Constitution's
> procedures to amend the DOI.
Interesting you should mention that, as in fact the US Constitution
amended out of existance the Continental Congress in existance since
1774, and the Articles of Confederation (proposed in 1777 and ratified
in 1781). If memory serves, the stated purpose of the Constitutional
Convention was to re-invigorate the existing system until Madison
wrote his new plan. By 1788, it had been ratified and the Contental
Congress disbanded itself in favor of the new government.
If you use this historical event as precedent, then we can say that
the previous system of issuing things (basically, by fiat) has been
superceded by the Constitution.
> > Uh, non-free is not going on Progeny CDs. non-free is not now, and
> > never was, on Debian CDs. I have no desire to see non-free on either
> > CDs. I want neither to distribute non-free. All the software being
> > written at Progeny is GPL'd.
>
> ftp://ftp.progeny.com/pub/progeny/dists/progeny/non-free
>
> You wished to completely remove non-free from Debian's servers, it's on
> Progeny's. Lacking a clear position statement by Progeny, it can be
> assumed that everything on the Progeny FTP site is officially included
> within Progeny. You wish neither to distribute non-free, put your ftpd
> where your mouth is.
STUPID ARGUMENT.
Everying on Debian's FTP site is not included with Debian.
Progeny is not yet released. We started with a woody mirror and went
from that.
The matter will be dealt with before we release.
> > Furthermore, my arguments for non-free removal were based on solely
> > ethical arguments, not monetary ones. Had you cared to check, you
> > would have seen that I have advocated those issues long before I
> > started to work for Progeny.
>
> Yeah, but you didn't propose a GR until after you were. Your action
> followed your monetary interest, regardless of how your feelings were on
> it.
Your proof of this?
You state incorrect conjecture as fact, which is an almost certain
sign that you are sure you have lost the argument and are merely
grasping at straws.
As I said before, I will not let my job hacking Debian and supporting
Free Software interfere with my hobby of hacking Debian and supporting
Free Software.
If people like you are too immature to realize that I have done this
personaly, and without being asked by my employer to do so (and
indeed, without even notifying my employer I was going to do so), then
frankly I wonder why you bother with Debian at all. If basic concepts
like these are too difficult for you to grasp, I might suggest that
you try taking a basic logic class at a nearby college or university.
-- John
--
John Goerzen <jgoerzen@complete.org> www.complete.org
Sr. Software Developer, Progeny Linux Systems, Inc. www.progenylinux.com
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