Re: synaptic workalike that WILL run on sudo with wayland.
On 12/28/24 16:41, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 01:06:11PM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
armbian in the full desktop version runs noticeably slower than it runs on
amd64 stuff, but its more than fast enough to run a full screen gui for a 3d
printer. I'll gladly tolerate a just noticeable lag that never crashes,
uptimes from kernel update to kernel update, with klipper/moonraker/fluidd
feeding nginx, broadcasting to any web browser in the house that is watching
aliasname:80, in exchange for an 18 watt power draw (including its 24" AOL
monitor) while sitting idle between jobs. I use firefox to localhost:80 on
the local machine actually running the printer at speeds around 10x what it
could do OOTB 4 years ago when it was new.
Armbian is *NOT* Debian They do things differently there. Some of their
images are based on Ubuntu, others on Debian. They usually use the BSP -
Board Support Package - from the hardware vendor but that could be using any
kernel. We've gone through all of this multiple times, Gene: the reason
no one can support you on Armbian is because it's basically a different
and unknown quantity. It may be sufficently similar that we can extrapolate
but it's like taking a Volkswagen into a Toyota dealer and anticipating they
can fix it immediately with no prior knowledge. It might be like taking
an EV into your friendly mechanic who has never seen one - who knows how
long the learning curve is for all of us. That's before we get into the fact
that most of us have never seen a BananaPi 5 and never will.
Then you are missing out on the many things a pi clone can do on 5% of
an amd64's power budget. Granted the amd64 can do it 20x faster,
ignoring that the pi clone is fast enough. Debian seems to treat the
arm64's a toy.
<snippage: interesting stuff on how to get lathes, machine tools, 3D printers
to play nicely but irrelevant here>
That is called putting the tech to work, more than earning its keep.
I've got to get my web page up again, I lost it when those two seagate 2T
drives went offline at 2 weeks accumulated runtime as I was trying make
bookworm run now 18 months ago. It runs when it gets around to it, opening a
local file is an automatic lockup for 30 seconds. And no one has identified
that problem. Around 30 fresh installs with the only usb plugged in being
the wireless button for logitek keyboard/mouse but I still get orca and
brltty yelling every keystroke at me thru my speakers. Yet when I question
the broken bookworm installer, I catch hell from the powers that be here.
Total denial that the problem exists has been the universal response.
The lock ups are indeterminate because you can't ever tell us what you've done
bs, I have described exactly what I've done but you treat it as TLDR.
to get into this state. At this point, bringing up orca and brltty is once
again old news and not relevant. Ten days or two weeks ago, you promised
that this would be the end of this because you'd go and finally do a clean
install as install 31. Please do so - simplify everything, unmount your RAID
until you've done a basic install and come back when you can show history
of what you've done. I don't deny that you have problems but the vagueness
of response over a period of years doesn't help you plead your case.
And the bookworm install isn't irremediably broken - thousands of installs
by other people suggest that the problem may be yours and yours alone.
I'll not argue that point but I can't cross a wireless keyboard/mouse
button receiver button as being responsible for this when I've
repeatedly been told its because the installer found a serial adaptor
whose feed cable to an x10 cm11a is laying on the floor unplugged
during the many installs. it isn't wireless and its unplugged. If that
is not clear enough I don't know how else to explain it. To strip this
machine down to just one drive, reinstall yet again, then remount my
/home drive over what the installer makes is a major undertaking as
there's currently 2 other drive controllers to be removed or disabled,
installed alongside the 6 sata-ii ports this board has. I'm not willing
to take the chance the installer might decide to format everything else
it finds. I've had that actually happen, loosing a couple months work I
had to re-invent. Back around stretch or jessie time, No thanks. The
installer should NOT decide to install stuff I have purposely skipped
during the install, but it has installed and made live orca and brltty
around 30 times. Most of those 30 installs were because by the time I
had stuffed a hot potato into orcas mouth by removing the exec bits from
the perms, it was not possible to reboot, it got stuck waiting for orca
the come live, so a reboot was done by reinstalling.
With nothing plugged into a usb port but the logitek button. I don't
own a wired mouse except the 37 yo 1200 baud serial mouse on my now
deceased from dried out caps color computer 3. And there is not even a
compatible db9 on this computer. Time marches on. The person running the
installer should have the final say on whats installed, he does not.
After all my mewling about it. Apt finally was able to remove it w/o
tearing the system down to text only. which is where I'm at now, but
with a 30 second total lockup when I open a local file before the file
requestor appears and the machine is unlocked again.. What the hell is
it waiting on? A lot of fingers in the reddit postings point at polkit,
but I have installed everything mentioned to zero effect.
<snippage of similar incomprehension of exactly what it is you are doing
from Andy Smith>
All the very best, as ever,
Andrew Cater
(amacater@debian.org)
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
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Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
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