Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade
On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 08:39:43 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 09:53:20AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone
> > > > > get the idea it was?
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > > D-Bus was developed as part of the freedesktop.org project [...] to
> > > > standardize services provided by Linux desktop environments such as
> > > > GNOME and KDE.
> > > >
> > > > It's seems quite reasonable to me for people to jump to the conclusion
> > > > that it's not likely relevant for servers.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus
> > >
> > > Jumping to conclusions is the ideal way of neglecting facts and promoting
> > > fallacious assertions. I have given two examples that challenge
> > >
> > > dbus "...is redundant for typical server software"
> >
> > The first one being "apt cache rdepends"? You can do better than this.
> >
> > The second one being CUPS? dbus is not required for printing itself.
>
> Also, most servers don't deal with ink-and-paper printing. At all.
I don't quite follow that, but is it of great importance? Some do, and
then dbus will be involved in advertising print queues to clients.
> Brian asked how people would conclude things about D-Bus, and Tixy gave
> a completely legitimate answer. It was an answer I had been considering
> writing myself, but I was lazy.
>
> The name is *literally* an abbreviation for Desktop Bus, and you (Brian)
> claim you don't understand why people think it's only for desktop systems?
> Come on.
I own up to reading solely the primary source at freedesktop. I can find
no reference there to dbus being required only when (to quote John Doe)
> a DE (Gnome,Mate, ...) is present.
Whatever the genesis of the application's name and function, it has
evidently moved on in the last 10+ years. firewalld (which looks like a
good candidate for use on a server) also depends on dbus.
--
Brian.
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