Re: odd passwd problem.
On Saturday 03 August 2019 11:56:38 David Wright wrote:
> On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 11:38:27 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 August 2019 11:06:27 David Wright wrote:
> > > On Sat 03 Aug 2019 at 10:32:02 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 03 August 2019 10:03:18 David Wright wrote:
> > > > > On Fri 02 Aug 2019 at 22:41:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 16:58:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday 01 August 2019 10:20:57 Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jo, 01 aug 19, 06:28:17, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Debian-arm netinstall on a pi3b;
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No root pw set, I am housebroken to using sudo now.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > netinstall didn't install x anything although I
> > > > > > > > > thought I was selecting xfce4, so my first action on
> > > > > > > > > the reboot was to "sudo apt install xfce4". reboot,
> > > > > > > > > works, have x and 4 workspaces.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then "sudo apt install build-essential and buildbot,
> > > > > > > > > cups". reboot, worked once, login normal. Then I
> > > > > > > > > plugged in a 120GB ssd which had a bunch of src stuff
> > > > > > > > > on it I'll need later and powered up again. Can't
> > > > > > > > > login, passwd no good. Dbl check, caps lock off, try
> > > > > > > > > again several times, passwd no good.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maybe the SSD is drawing just enough additional current
> > > > > > > > to mess with your keyboard. As already suggested, you
> > > > > > > > could try removing it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its a 5 amp switcher.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also, since you're not worried about security you could
> > > > > > > > try typing your password in the username field, to make
> > > > > > > > sure the keyboard works as expected. Just don't press
> > > > > > > > enter so the password is not logged ;)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've done that too, its displaying exactly what I typed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I am being ignored. So here is a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, I didn't realise you were using a DM to login when I
> > > > > wrote my first reply. As with the SSD, I would have you revert
> > > > > from a DM to an ordinary VC login. But I know so little about
> > > > > DEs that I don't know if that's possible. What does a DM buy
> > > > > you?
> > > >
> > > > A nice gui with lots of workspaces. Menu's to run stuff.
> > >
> > > Isn't that provided by the DE. What specifically does the DM do
> > > for you?
> > >
> > > I run X and a WM, but I don't use them to login. Just a VC.
> > >
> > > > > > Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting
> > > > > > passwds. Is it possible that something in xfce4 has changed
> > > > > > to the new method, but the passwd in the passwd file was
> > > > > > encrypted with the older method, and that an ssh login is
> > > > > > still useing the old method, so I can login remotely only?
> > > > > > So possibly it might be fixed by an apt update/upgrade?
> > > > > > Unforch, there is nothing to upgrade:
> > > > >
> > > > > AIUI passwords are not encrypted, they're hashed.
> > > >
> > > > And apparently each hash is unique? I've checked 4 machines
> > > > here, and the shadow files entry for me is different on all 4
> > > > machines.
> > >
> > > That's because there are 4096 different values of salt that could
> > > have been chosen.
> > >
> > > > > > copy/paste from a konsole logged into it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > gene@picnc:~$ sudo apt update
> > > > > > [sudo] password for gene:
> > > > > > Get:1 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> > > > > > buster/updates InRelease [39.1 kB]
> > > > > > Hit:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster InRelease
> > > > > > Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian buster-updates InRelease
> > > > > > [46.8 kB] Get:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> > > > > > buster/updates/main Sources [25.9 kB]
> > > > > > Get:5 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> > > > > > buster/updates/main arm64 Packages [51.5 kB]
> > > > > > Get:6 http://security.debian.org/debian-security
> > > > > > buster/updates/main Translation-en [28.9 kB]
> > > > > > Fetched 192 kB in 2s (81.9 kB/s)
> > > > > > Reading package lists... Done
> > > > > > Building dependency tree
> > > > > > Reading state information... Done
> > > > > > All packages are up to date.
> > > > > > gene@picnc:~$
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But is that the proper list of repo's to query?
> > > > >
> > > > > Posting your sources.list would be more typical.
> > > >
> > > > but much more difficult to copy and chown to get it in the
> > > > rights for kmail-trinity to attach or include. I have to copy
> > > > them to someplace neutral, chown the perms, as my sshnet runs as
> > > > me, specifically denies root, so once I can copy it across the
> > > > cat5 to someplace in /home/gene on this machine, then I can
> > > > attach or include it.
> > >
> > > I don't understand any of that.
> > >
> > > $ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
> > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 981 Jan 20 2018 /etc/apt/sources.list
> > > $
> > >
> > > But in any case, you can cat it and then copy/paste it,
> > > as you just did, above, for apt update.
> > >
> > > > > > Or maybe its ssh thats using the new way, and xfce4 has not
> > > > > > caught up. I haven't a clue whats changed, but it did work
> > > > > > several times, then stopped. Completely changing my passwd
> > > > > > from this ssh login worked, I backed out and tried it,
> > > > > > worked as expected from ssh, but is still rejected from its
> > > > > > own keyboard, so I changed it back. ?? What library does
> > > > > > that? Is there a version jump that arm did, but got miss
> > > > > > installed?
> > > > >
> > > > > ssh has -v (up to 3 times) for monitoring its behaviour.
> > > > >
> > > > > But are you're sure you're not thinking of something like
> > > > > LUKS1/LUKS2 rather than any change in passwd hashing (which
> > > > > might be why you wrote "encrypting").
> > > >
> > > > Never touched LUKS, any version.
> > >
> > > In which case, can you quote your reference for where said person
> > > mentioned it.
> > >
> > > Whether you've *used* LUKS is irrelevant. You might still have
> > > *heard something* about it, and thought it was about passwd
> > > passwords. I can recall things being written about VM here, but
> > > was it Virtual Box, vbox, qemu, kvm, virt-manager—not having used
> > > any VM, my memory doesn't distinguish between them.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > David.
> >
> > LUKS shouldn't matter David, I've never used it in 20 years. However
> > I just installed locate, updatedb, the locate luks spit out this:
> > oot@picnc:~# locate luks
> > /boot/efi/boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod
> > /boot/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod
> > /usr/lib/grub/arm64-efi/luks.mod
> >
> > Could one of those be screwing with me?
>
> No. I'm trying to eliminate LUKS from the conversation. What would be
> more useful is to discover what you were talking about when you wrote
> "Someone has recently mentioned a new method of encrypting passwds."
> Or am I to spike it, along with
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/03/msg00208.html
> and suchlike.
>
Whats procmail to do with this? I was commenting there because I AM using
procmail for my fetchmails MTA. Have been since about 2002 since kmail
freezes during a new mail scan. So I took that job away from it by
letting fetchmail get the mail, procmail to filter, and inotifywait to
tell kmail over the dbus, to go get the mail from /var/mail. It can do
that in a small fraction of a second per incoming msg.
> Cheers,
> David.
Cheers David, Gene Heskett
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