Re: Replace systemd
Le 07/06/17 à 15:27, Reco a écrit :
> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:45:30AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 2017-07-06 at 07:48, Reco wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 12:53:29PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
>>>
>>>> Le 07/03/17 à 22:48, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> You can still use Debian without systemd as init. Explained
>>>>> here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00538.html
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would prefer that it is some derivate/fork of Debian
>>>>> without systemd, I do not have personal experience with those,
>>>>> but I'm sure that you will get few hints.
>>>>
>>>> init is a small part of systemd. And judging y the bug reported and
>>>> how they are treated, I do not trust any part of it. Neither
>>>> resolved, logind, etc...
>>>
>>> So you do not trust udev as well?
>>
>> I consider it unfortunate that udev is maintained as part of the systemd
>> suite, rather than being maintained independently (even if by the same
>> people), purely from a separation-of-distinct-things perspective.
>>
>> I haven't seen any relevant problems with it to date, however; the worst
>> aspect of that maintenance situation is that it means upgrading udev
>> shows the systemd changelog (which rarely has any relevant changes
>> listed), rather than only a changelog for udev itself.
>
> Um. So called Predictable Network Interface Names, for starters.
> Does *very funny* things to Debian (anything that have net.ifnames=1
> really) running in ESXi.
>
> Somewhat old, but truly golden story about udev and firmware loading -
> https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/
>
> And, of course #762018 deserves a honorable mention.
>
>
>>>> And it is NOT possible to use debian without any part of systemd.
>>>
>>> Indeed it is. It is not possible to use Debian without udev.
>>> Everything else is optional though.
>>
>> You do at least also need libsystemd0 - or at any rate, trying to remove
>> that on my (otherwise systemd-free) system results in removing 735
>> packages, and leaving at least a few hundred others in "automatically
>> installed, would be removed by autoremove" state.
>
> True. But does libsystemd0 count? It's a library, not an executable.
>
> Reco
>
There are also packages which add a dependency on systemd whereas the
same software works perfectly on FreeBSD, thus without anything
ressembling it (eg hplip).
This leads to upgrade from a jessie without systemd will install it.
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