Re: Debian package on Windows
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 04:37:27PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote:
> I don't see why you object so strongly to the idea of porting apt-get to
> Windows. The idea may be a little crazy in that Windows programs don't
> install the same way or use the same libraries but there are lots of other
> programs that run on Linux and Windows without provoking a hostile response.
> So long as it continues to use the GPL, I don't have see the issue.
>
> If it helps them write more portable software, I'd say go for it.
>
As the person who helped name APT and apt-get all those years ago: this is slightly missing the point.
There is a sort-of, near enough apt-get clone from the VSS group - it's called Nu-get - there's One-get
and Chocolatey.
All of these miss the fact that it's tight dependency management, well documented packaging strategies
and an attempted consistent approach across many years that has got Debian to this point.
Policy, practice, package-shaming, enforcement of API / ABI where feasible, declaring flag days for major
changes - oh, and testing over months and years. Toolsets, culture, learned development habits - all takes
time.
Now Eric is coming along - with, potentially, the best of intentions and a polite approach. Microsoft look
to be abandoning Codeplex for Github and, if they're just starting to changeC compilers, for example, there's
a whole new learning curve.
It might be nice to assume that one isolated Microsoft employee is not, immediately, a messenger of malice and
to answer questions with respect.
Rebuilding even one Microsoft product to take advantage of 20 years of someone else's good practice is, at the very least
a non-trivial problem.
You're right, though, it might be better aimed at the debian-devel or debian-mentors lists.
AndyC
>
>
> On 20/02/16 09:21 PM, Thiago wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >Why did you send this message on Debian Apache and not in the main
> >mailing list? I'm sorry, but you're not able to own GNU GPL to suck in
> >your Application Manager. Either you will be educated mentioning it and
> >respecting his copyright.
> >
> >I don't know why do you do it. Maybe you thought in new things to do.
> >Congrats for using Clang instead of GNU C Compiler, at least you're
> >trying don't using it to don't need mentioning him. But Debian is signed
> >in GPG too.
> >
> >And of course, taking apt-get/Debian and implementing new DRMs to avoid
> >GNU. History is same the even. Or would be Microsoft don't mistreating
> >who shares the packing management? Are you trying to take it and kick
> >that out of new hardwares?
> >
> >Reply us.
> >
> >Att.
> >
> >
> >Em 19-02-2016 23:09, Eric Mittelette escreveu:
> >>Hi
> >>
> >>
> >>I contact you today about a crazy idea, but I hope it is a right kind of
> >>crazy!
> >>
> >>
> >>I’m PM in the Visual C++ Team (VC Lib to be precise here at Microsoft),
> >>we started to think about lib acquisition (still a painful process for
> >>C++ on Windows) and we are imaging different options, one is to port
> >>apt-get on Windows.
> >>
> >>Porting Apt-Get mean using Debian format (we love it) and providing
> >>Windows binary inside the package…
> >>
> >>
> >>For doing that we imagine a light way process to adapt your actual build
> >>script to generate Windows binaries using our latest Clang/c2 compiler
> >>integration (meaning in theory just changing an env variable to switch
> >>from gcc or Clang to our Clang/C2 compiler will be enough…)
> >>
> >>
> >>The main idea here is to not reinvent the wheel for packaging management
> >>and use something existing, powerful and well known by the community.
> >>
> >>Of course all the project will be open source (the new Microsoft J)
> >>
> >>
> >>I know you’re really busy, and don’t want to boring you, but I wanted to
> >>know your feedback about this idea?
> >>
> >>Do you want to be included in future discussions and provide feedback as
> >>we get more details fleshed out?
> >>
> >>
> >>Again it is just a draft idea, nothing concrete, but wanted to validate
> >>with you and the Debian maintainers community if that make sense for you…
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks for your time
> >>
> >>
> >>Eric Mittelette
> >>
> >>Senior Program Manager – Visual C++ (VCLib)
> >>
> >>ericmitt@microsoft.com <mailto:ericmitt@microsoft.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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