Re: iceweasal vs long urls. Long url wins, iceweasal doesn't
On Tuesday 10 March 2015 10:31:53 The Wanderer wrote:
> On 03/10/2015 at 09:59 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday 10 March 2015 08:59:29 Brian wrote:
> >> On Tue 10 Mar 2015 at 08:36:52 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> Using a distro based on wheezy, configured with a real time
> >>> kernel, but not running it. Using a 64 bit 3.2.0 instead. And
> >>> because the wheezy kmail is font broken, using TDE R14, where
> >>> kmail Just Works(TM).
> >>>
> >>> Over on another list, I've a guy using dropbox to post some .png
> >>> images of a circuit board he has designed.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately I cannot see those images because dropbox is using
> >>> %20 for spaces in the returned URL. But between my clicking on
> >>> the link in kmail 1.13.7, and iceweasal, the %20's are being
> >>> converted to spaces by the time I see iceweasal's address bar
> >>> contents, so of course I am looking at dropboxes fancy 404's page
> >>> since spaces aren't allowed in a URL.
> >>>
> >>> This translation should not be taking place IMO.
>
> I can't prove it at the moment without more digging than I want to
> invest the time for, but I believe that either this is a purely
> cosmetic issue (i.e. it's done only for display purposes), or the
> spaces should and indeed must be translated back to %20 before being
> transmitted - exactly _because_ a URL cannot contain a space.
>
> I believe it's far more likely that the actual problem is somewhere
> else.
>
> >>> Is this something I can fix with an iceweasal about:config
> >>> option? I have looked without seeing a likely suspect.
> >>
> >> Love it! :)
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >> You are using what is probably an ancient edition of a mail agent
> >> on an unknown distribution and into the bargain you're running a DE
> >> which does not have packages in Debian.
> >
> > I am tempted to call bs on this.
> >
> > The DE change was forced on me by the broken font handling in the
> > kmail that is part of wheezy. So I am like the pollack looking for
> > a car that works so he can get to work, and TDE does.
> >
> > I fussed about that font rendering in the wheezy version of kmail,
> > right here on this list, which makes a version number like 3.3.7p1
> > into an unreadable mess about 3 characters wide by piling them up on
> > top of each other, and no one had a clue, and I don't believe it has
> > ever been fixed.
>
> Do you have a bug-report number for this? I'd be interested in looking
> into the history a bit more.
>
> > Backing up from the .7 release to the .5 release fixed that right
> > up.
>
> Above, you say that you're running kmail 1.13.7.
>
> Here, you say you're running "the .5 release" of kmail, with the
> implication that "the .7 release" is what is provided in wheezy.
>
> However, according to 'apt-cache policy' on my computer, the version
> of kmail in current stable (which is codenamed wheezy) is 4.4.11.
> That's quite a version difference.
>
> What exact version numbers are you working with, here?
Trinity R14, and kmail says its version 1.9.10, this I am told is from
kde3, not kde4. My apologies for the mistaken kmail ID.
>
> > Why does that make me the b-a here?
> >
> >> Copy the URL directly into iceweasel.
> >
> > I can do that, but wheezy's much too critical mouse placement,
> > demanding that the pointer is on the exact pixel means I have to do
> > it several times to stand a chance of doing it right.
>
> How are you going about doing the copying?
For long links with the <> html quotation marks surrounding them,
generally works unless there are spaces in the link, if the <> isn't
there, then I will left click beyond end of link text to disable the
automatic launching of the browser, hold click and drag to first
character IF it can be found without going past the left end of the
text. The thing doesn't work if the click release is 1 pixel either
side of the correct point. Very difficult to successfully find.
> In my experience, there are two different paste buffers available in
> Linux, which are accessed in two different ways.
>
> One of them contains whatever text was last highlighted by the mouse,
> and you can paste from it by middle-clicking in an application which
> supports that.
Which is what I am doing, but that is also difficult as that MMB press is
a press on the mouse wheel, and its very difficult to do without a
minute roll of the wheel putting the pasted text 2 or 5 lines above or
below where its intended to go. This particular mouse did have, when it
was new, a clicker in the scroll wheel, but it wears out in a week or
so. At 30+ dollars a week, replacing it weekly is not an option. And it
did it, miss-placing the paste, even when the wheel had a detent.
> The other contains whatever text you last issued an explicit "Copy"
> command on (such as by highlighting text and pressing Ctrl-C, or
> right-clicking on a link and selecting "Copy URL"), and you can paste
> from it by pressing Ctrl-V.
I keep forgetting that. Short term memory isn't so good at my age.
> Highlighting the exact text you need to copy, for the middle-click
> paste buffer, is indeed somewhat finicky and can require what seems
> like pixel-perfect mouse-cursor positioning. However, a "right-click
> and select Copy URL" approach is nowhere near that finicky.
I will give that a try when I get back from the lumber yard where I need
to get some drain fittings to hook up a sump pump. I have 1/4" of water
in the finished basement because the water table is above the basement
floor when its been raining steady for a day (or more). Nothing to do
with this other than as an excuse for my late reply.
> I don't use and am not familiar with kmail, but since it apparently
> provides the ability to click on a link and have it be opened in an
> external program, I would be very much surprised if it did not provide
> a "Copy URL" feature like that.
It did, and it worked, although it didn't open the pdf. There was a
download link on an otherwise blank page and it did work.
Thank you. I now have an alternate way of dealing with clueless winderz
users that may work.
> > Complicated by any attempt to pre-clear the address bar so you can
> > try the paste again causes the paste buffer to be overwritten by the
> > contents of said malformed address bar. So instead of fixing it so
> > one can edit it and fix it, you have to start from scratch, redoing
> > the whole copy/paste. Neither is exactly user friendly.
>
> This is only a problem if you're using the middle-click paste buffer.
> Clicking into the address bar will highlight the existing URL, and
> will therefore overwrite the contents of the middle-click paste buffer
> - but it will not affect the contents of the Ctrl-V paste buffer.
>
> I routinely right-click on a link from my mail client, click "Copy
> Link Location", switch desktops to Iceweasel, open a new tab with
> Ctrl-T, and hit Ctrl-V to paste the copied URL. It works flawlessly.
Sounds like a 100% usable solution. And, FWIW, I believe its iceweasal
doing the unwanted conversion, it did it again, "fixing" the address bar
before it had fully loaded the page. I saw it do it because it was
already launched.
Now, I gotta go find some PVC fittings. Anybody know where I can find a
circular saw that can cut an 19" diameter hole in a 40+ yo concrete
floor? That will at least start the 23" deep, 18" diameter sump pit
needed. ;-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
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