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Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

On 2015-09-01 at 07:38, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 2015-08-31 at 10:49, Christian Seiler wrote:
>>> On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> [...]
>> The Subject line is an overstatement, yes, but it's not an
>> entirely baseless one. Consider:
> [...]
>> * Therefore, the only way to avoid the friction which arises from
>> that interaction and its undesirable results is to either not use
>> su or not use systemd. (And not using systemd is an increasingly
>> pushing-against-the-current proposition. It's possible, but it's
>> becoming less and less the default.)
> Just a question: have you ever considered seriously *doing* anything
> about that?
> I ask because I'd like myself and I'd like to get an idea whether
> there's enough community for that. No flamewars, no mud-slinging,
> just *doing*.

I've considered it, but - to borrow a phrase from a fragment of
discussion I took part in with Russ Allbery once - I didn't, and don't,
have the spare cycles to do much about it myself.

I was planning to watch the various attempts at alternatives and forks
which people were starting (such as uselessd, already mentioned here on
the list), and investigate them more deeply once I was distanced enough
from the original arguments that I had stress-level depth to spare for
it. So far that hasn't happened, though, and apparently at least some of
these projects have already been abandoned...

   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man.         -- George Bernard Shaw

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