Re: pptp-based vpn
On Saturday 15 August 2015 00:00:57 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 14 Aug 2015 at 22:52:05 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Thursday 13 August 2015 09:38:03 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 20:04:41 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > > Quoting Brian (ad44@cityscape.co.uk):
> > > > > On Wed 12 Aug 2015 at 16:57:33 +0100, Martin Smith wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/08/2015 14:56, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > > > >The care alone, even were there no societal cost, costs several
> > > > > > > orders of magnitude more money than the £145.50 cost of a TV
> > > > > > > licence. The trial alone, too, will have cost more than that!
> > > > > > > Then there is the cost of keeping her in prison.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that is the problem, we have to punish sinners, we are after all
> > > > > > obsessed opinion.
> > > > > > I am led to believe it demonstrates our righteousness, but that
> > > > > > is not my > opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's called upholding and enforcing the law of the country, not
> > > > > trangressing the will of some other entity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally. The tale you quoted and replied to is based on "When
> > > > > she goes to prison for non-payment of her licence....". This cannot
> > > > > happen. The maximum penalty is a fine.
> > > >
> > > > This may well be true. I'm not a lawyer: I don't know. However, the
> > > > public perception is that you *can* be imprisoned and so it colours
> > > > discussion of the licence fee. For example, here is a quotation by
> > > > the
> > >
> > > Incorrect statements colouring discussion hampers fruitful discussion.
> > >
> > > > Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, someone involved at
> > > > the highest level with the licence fee problem:
> > > >
> > > > “It's actually worse than a poll tax because under the poll tax, if
> > > > you were on a very low income you would get a considerable subsidy,”
> > > > he said.
> > > >
> > > > “The BBC licence fee, there is no means-tested element whatsoever; it
> > > > doesn't matter how poor you are, you pay £145.50 and go to prison if
> > > > you don't pay it.”
> > >
> > > Both the Secretary of State and non-lawyers have access to
> > >
> > > http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/363
> >
> > Yes, but they also have access to common sense.
> >
> > You cannot be sent to prison for non-payment of the licence. But you can
> > be sent prison for non-payment of the fine for non-payment of the
> > licence. So in effect many are sent to prison not for non-payment, if
> > you wish to quibble (and this is not a court of law, where one has to
> > quibble), but because they haven't got any money and haven't paid. It is
> > not too great a stretch of the imagination and language to call that
> > going to prison for non-payment of the licence.
>
> > If convicted, you will get a criminal record,
> > </quote>
> > http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/24/in-court-non-payment-tv-li
> >cence-television-desperate-cases
>
> Obviously. Whether it is ever disclosed is another matter. Perhaps if an
> application to become Director General of the BBC was made it would be.
That is just when it wouldn't! ;-)
>
> > Then:
> > <quote>
> > Culture Secretary Sajid Javid reports that 10% of magistrate court cases
> > are for non-payment of the BBC licence fee. Non-payment is a criminal
> > offence, punishable by a fine of up to £1,000. Every week about 3,000
> > people are fined for non-payment, and *****about one person a week is
> > jailed for non-payment of the fine.***** (my stars)
> >
> > Women make up about 70% of those prosecuted and convicted, and half of
> > those jailed for not paying the fine.
>
> > unable to pay the fine for
> > the same reason they couldn’t afford the licence fee; they don’t have the
> > money.
> > </quote>
> > http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/media-culture/non-payment-of-bbc-licence-fe
> >e-accounts-for-10-of-prosecutions/
> >
> > Young single mothers are sent to prison because they have not got the
> > money to pay their TV licences, with the consequences I have already
> > described.
>
> I had a compassion bypass operation a few years ago. Sorry. :)
And a tolerance one.;-) But I in fact outlined the monetary and societal
cost, and therefore inefficiency. You don't need compassion to understand
that, just a calculator.
Lisi
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