On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 02:09:53PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 30 May 2014 10:38:50 +0200 > "Gian Uberto Lauri" <saint@eng.it> wrote: > > > David Dušanić writes: > > > > > Ok, we have to be even more correct on this, even JWM is just a > > > window manager. > > > > One may agree with the precision of your classification. > > > > Or the same one may increase confusion by (rightfully) asserting that > > depending on user skills and habits, a WM and shell may be all the > > "desktop environment" a user needs, especially when she already has > > (or can create easily) all the inter-program communication required. > > And in addition to everything you just said, the WM/DE distinction > isn't binary, it's a spectrum. At one end is KDE, where everything's > provided and interconnected. At the other is something like JWM, which > pretty much just manages windows. Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, which I think JWM has by default. (although, clearly, any of a variety of panels can be added. I sometimes use fbpanel with openbox, but often run it with nothing but a little conky to show CPU/RAM NETUP/DOWN TIME/DATE). Some of these were essentially created to be the WM of a particular DE, or can be swapped in. Metacity was initially the gnome wm, afaik, for instance. I've never done it, but I imagine one could run the KDE's WM, or XFWM, or others alone (without the DE stuff). > > If I stretch, I could even make an assertion that a DE is a document > telling what software to install and how to use it within your > environment. For instance, there are tray and panel type things you can > add to your OpenBox. The document could tell how to install > suckless-tools and then add dmenu_run as a hotkeyed option for quicker > running of programs. I do this on my openbox. I have Mod+p open dmenu to launch stuff. tony -- https://tonybaldwin.info art, music, software by me, tony 3F330C6E
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