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Re: Debian fork: 'Devuan', Debian without Systemd

On 2 December 2014 at 19:22, Aaron Toponce <aaron.toponce@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 09:40:20PM +0100, Märk Owen wrote:
>> It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about
>> systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me
>> this way.
> # apt-get install upstart
> # apt-get install sysvinit-core
> # apt-get install openrc

I doubt that this will work in the near future (jessie +1).

Debian/Devuan WILL NEED an `udev` alternative to keep `sysinit-core` working.

Sooner or later, there will be no more `sysvinit-core`, `upstart` or
whatever, because `systemd` guys engulfed `udev` and they are change
it to make sure it will only work with systemd = PID1, this sucks,
_this is extortion_ (kind of). Everybody that falls for that, will

Devuan will need something like `eudev` to succeed.

It is freaking unbelievable that Debian is now following RedHat after
all we achieved during those ~two decades, by ourselves.

I'm not against `systemd` itself, I'm against the lack of freedom to
choose whatever init I need/want. Systemd is here, fine, but as an
option ONLY. Well, no.

Jessie isn't Debian.

Devuan IS (will be) what we know about Debian! Waiting to see Joel
joining Devuan... lol


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