Re: Joey Hess is out?

[Gary Roach <gary719_list1@verizon.net>]

On 11/08/2014 06:01 PM, golinux wrote:
> >  Subject: Re: Joey Hess is out?
> >  To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >  Date: Friday, November 7, 2014, 7:49 PM
> >
> > > Anyone else read the subject line and think, "Why would I care that
> > > Joey is gay?"
> >
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > Did you actually READ Joey's post.  Those were his very own words that
> > were used in the subject:
> >
> > " . . . I wish everyone well, but I'M OUT."
> >
> > So your comment is just plain stupid IMO.
> >
> > golinux
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > After reading the foofaraw over the word "out", I took the time to read
> > Joey Hess' abdication message and then the Debian Constitution that
> > seems to be the center of his complaints. I am sorely confused. I have
> > been using Debian for over 15 years and have seen Hess' name associated
> > with an unbelievable  number of projects. His worth to the Debian
> > development effort can not be overstated. But after reading the Debian
> > Constitution, I wonder what is really wrong. I find the document
> > somewhat convoluted but doubt that I could do any better. Without a
> > document that carefully outlines the rights and responsibilities of the
> > participants in an endeavor of this size, the whole development effort
> > would sink into chaos. Could it be a simple case of burnout?
> >
> > Maybe a discussion of why such a valuable member of the community would
> > throw in the towel would be more productive.
> >
> > Gary R.
>
>
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>
> I've never touched a bureaucracy (with a constitution or bylaws etc.) 
> that wasn't toxic to some degree. I know from experience that it can 
> suck the life out of any project and turn it into the living dead.   
> I've learned to steer clear of 'organizations' and work independently 
> if I want to be productive, effective and happy.  So I can really 
> sympathize with Joey's frustration (even if he is a systemd supporter  
> :(  ).
>
> golinux
Yes, but try running an operation with more than 5 or 6 people involved 
without setting some ironclad ground rules. Bin there, done that, don't 
ever want to do it again.

Gary R.