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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

Steve McIntyre wrote:
Miles Fidelman wrote:
Martin Read wrote:
On 01/11/14 01:53, lee wrote:
It doesn't need these code paths.  The library doesn't do anything
unless you do have the software actually running which the library makes
useable --- at least that's what was said.

Of course, not all cases are the same, yet in this case, the library
shouldn't be installed unless the software it is for is installed.
Gentoo and Funtoo are ----> over there, just like they were months ago
when you first started complaining about systemd on debian-user.

If you move over to using them instead of Debian, you'll probably be
happier (because you'll have more control over what software runs on
your systems and how it's configured) and the Debian maintainers will
probably be happier (because there will be one fewer person haranguing
them for refusing to embrace combinatorial explosion).

Everyone wins.
Right.  This sounds more and more like "we're going to rewrite the
rules, and if you don't like it, we're taking our ball and going home."
Various people have tried to explain how a binary distribution like
Debian works (build packages with all options included by defauls) and
how shared libraries work on Linux (all the libraries need to be there
to satisfy symbol resolution at run time, even if none of the code is
ever used). When those explanations fell on deaf ears, people have
resorted to analogy. That was clearly a waste of time too.

These are standard "rules" that have existed for many years, there is
no rewriting going on at all. Instead, it seems there are people who
won't, or don't want to, understand explanations when given. For
people who claim to have technical backgrounds, that's a surprising
(and very frustrating) problem.

Yeah... the Unix way... which systemd and it's pieces violate in so many ways.

Miles Fidelman

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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