Re: what happened to the task bar??
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 14:07 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 28/06/13 01:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 19:02 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> >>> I will not do another upgrade. New install of a new dist for me.
> >
> > Upstream a long time ago does switch from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3. Many users
> > were annoyed, but upstream wasn't interested. Not only that GNOME does
> > kill the workflow, it also e.g. add a hard dependency to pulseaudio.
> >
> > You are much to late. Lamenting now is useless. If all would have
> > written to upstream a long time ago, we perhaps could have stopped those
> > changes.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with running an outdated Debian, but users still
> > should take care what happens upstream and contribute at least with an
> > opinion _before it's to late_!
> >
> > Using another distro won't help you regarding to your GNOME issue. Most
> > other distros are much closer o upstream than Debian is, so they
> > switched from GNOME 2 to GNOME 3 a long time before Debian did.
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: Ralf Mardorf
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: what happened to the task bar??
> > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:13:40 +0200
> >
> > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 10:36 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> >> Welcome to GNOME 3, the desktop environment that attempts to solve a
> >> problem that isn't there and changes things for the sake of changing
> >> them. Perhaps you'd like MATE, which is a fork of GNOME 2.
> >
> > Many of us switched to Xfce or LXDE. Xfce is a little bit closer to
> > GNOME 2 than LXDE is, but both are ok.
> >
>
> From my own limited experience with Gnome 3, I don't see what the big
> fuss is about. I thought it generally operated pretty much like Gnome 2
> except it was missing some pieces that will probably show up eventually,
> as they did when KDE went from 3 to 4.
>
> The main thing I believe is that you should install Gnome Shell to make
> it usable.
To be fair, I don't know current GNOME 3, but I still use GNOME apps,
e.g. Evolution and running it on Xfce sometimes is a PITA (Arch and
Ubuntu at the moment). In the beginning, when there was the switch I
used Debian and Arch and there were issues regarding to a hard
dependency to pulseaudio by the gnome settings daemon, at a time when
pulseaudio definitive wasn't able to handle a setup like this:
Card 0: RME AIO S/N 0x579bcc at 0xfdff0000, irq 18
Card 1: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbf00, irq 20
Card 2: TerraTec EWX24/96 at 0xbb00, irq 21
Card 3: USB Device 0x170b:0x11 at usb-0000:00:13.0-2, full speed
Card 4: KORG INC. nanoKONTROL at usb-0000:00:13.3-1, full speed
In addition 3D acceleration was needed, at a time when there were
serious graphics driver issues, e.g. noeveau in the beginning was a
PITA.
GNOME fallback mode or what ever the faked GNOME 2, done by GNOME 3 was
called, needed that much resources, that serious audio production was
impossible.
FWIW I switched from KDE 3 to GNOME 2, when there was the switch to KDE
4 ;).
Regards,
Ralf
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