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Re: help ! nvidia driver and X

> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > From: David Jardine <david@jardine.de>
> > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Subject: Re: help ! nvidia driver and X
> > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 00:03:11 +0200
> > 
> > On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 10:55:00PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > > David Jardine <david@jardine.de> writes:
> > > 
> > > > I have version 275.09.07 in wheezy running fine - although I think I 
> > > > did have to remove some mesa-related packages that broke things on an 
> > > > update a few days ago.
> > > 
> > > You mean libgl1-mesa-glx?  There are 1716 packages depending on that,
> > > and I have too many of them installed to remove libgl1-mesa-glx.  The
> > > result is that 273 packages are due to be updated and cannot be updated
> > > because the nvidia driver is broken.  Hopefully, they'll fix that soon.
> > 
> > Lee, you certainly know more about these things than I do, since I 
> > understand nothing about video drivers.  What I remember is that a 
> > dist-upgrade involving libgl1-mesa-glx (yes, I think that was the 
> > name) removed certain nvidia packages and left me with no X.  
> > 
> > Why does nvidia get the blame?  It was working perfectly well until 
> > somebody decided that certain parts of it had to be removed?  I'm not 
> > being sarcastic; there must be some rationale that I don't understand 
> > but which might help me if I did understand it.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > David

I'm not sarcastic too, but very angry.

The nouveau driver is supported, while it's completely unusable for many
users, e.g. for real-time audio users.

They drop the nv driver, which is needed by many users.

They only support the proprietary 173x, if you need to use self-build
kernels with a proprietary driver, e.g. regarding to real-time
performance. Oh no, wait, they drop it too. Since there are no real-time
capable kernels supported by Debian, neither the audio, nor the CNC one
you need to build such kernels yourself and than you need a proprietary
driver that isn't just for the kernel from the repositories.

Debian supports all kinds of flashy bullshit such as compiz, desktop
sounds etc., scripts that ignore kernel settings, stuff that is
completely useless. I suspect that Debian will become a Linux for toy
computers, while tool computers will be dropped.

It's not only the graphics, I e.g. has to buy a new mouse, because the
mouse wheel of my old mouse won't work anymore. The drivers for my old
printer are nearly unusable, while years ago there where drivers
available that where able to do high quality printings.

Ok, they drop oldish hardware, but do they support new hardware? No, I
need to compile ALSA to get my RME HDSP AIO working.

I'm pissed off, but well, my Debian is stable, while your Debian doesn't
work with your NVIDIAs anymore ;). I'm just angry, because I need to
spend that much time with setting up the machine and now with keeping it
stable. Note, I needed to upgrade to testing, 10 minutes after I
installed stable, because I can't use stable for my needs.

If you aren't very careful and do absolutely know what's important for
your needs, than I won't call testing a testing release, but a highly
experimental, unstable release.

I'm using GNOME2, why is is GDM3 installed by default? Since I'm not
interested in flashy dark themes where important options became
invisible, I've got good luck, because regarding to this, even the toy
computer fans run into issues, with broken themes, that aren't that dark
as wanted. Perhaps there isn't any target user group for Debian anymore.

Have fun,


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