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On Sunday 09 May 2010 20:35:00 Florian Kulzer wrote: > I never said that it was not. I was expressing my bewilderment with > people who seem to get offended when someone offers to submit upstream > bugs on their behalf if only they would tell him the details of their > problems, just because he may have made a mistake with the CCs. Why not > take him up on his offer, you have to do very little, he will do all the > work? If that leads to some of your problems with KDE 4 being fixed then > you may have one more acceptable alternative available in case the KDE3 > zombie turns out to be unmaintainable after all. It was the tone of his letters that upset me. I will send you the bits that offended me most off-list. But he _was_ demanding that I should do what from my point of view was considerable work, while claiming that he was helping me. He also refused to accept the reasons I gave as valid. Why do I need to give him any reasons at all for my decisions? > > > That is fine, of course, but why do you bother the list with your > > > grievances if your mind is already made up and you are not willing to > > > work with the people who care about making KDE4 better? Do you just > > > want to use the list as your personal agony aunt? I did not "bother the list with my grievances" nor "use the list as (my) personal agony aunt". I said (and I quote including the text to which I was replying): <quote> > > Maybe use dummy packages, or rename the packages so that KDE 3.5 could > > remain installed, and not be forced to upgrade to Kde4. > > No, there is not sane way and there is nobody interested on it. I would be. And do we not mean Squeeze? Lenny has KDE 3.5.10. > > I really feel sorry that KDE 3 series is no more being developed, and > > when the day cames that I no longer will be able to use KDE 3, I will > > switch to Apple or even Windows, but NEVER to kde4 or Gnome! > > (and I feel many users out there think like me!!!) > > You still have gnustep, xfce, lxde, no using any or simply never upgrade. I have looked at all those, in addition to KDE 4 and Gnome. None appeals to me. Each has something that I strongly dislike or does not have something that I like and use a lot. I would love to be able to upgrade to Squeeze if new(er) hardware dictates, but keep KDE 3.5. But I am not even almost tempted to go over to the dark side! I am, however, very sad that KDE 3.5, which I regard as the pinnacle of DE's, is being laid to rest. </quote> I see no list of grievances. I said that I am sad that an option I like is no longer available. That is all, and Dotan landed on top of me. I have also said that I do not like various other WMs/DEs. I am not being forced to justify myself for not liking those others. All I did after that was insist that the discussion be carried on on-list, not off. I was clearly wrong to reply to Dotan at all, and I have learnt my lesson. Next time I will simply ignore him! But this time, even ignoring him did not make him go away. Some people on this list have been helpful and made suggestions as to what I might like to try. I am very grateful for it. It is a pity that you and one or two others did not check your facts. It is Dotan's right to work to improve KDE 4 if he so wishes, it is not my duty. Lisi |