In <[🔎] idtmsg$cgk$1@dough.gmane.org>, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >Camaleón wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:26:21 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >>> Camaleón wrote: >> (...) >> >>>> I mean using as incoming/outgoing server "news.gmane.org:119" but no >>>> browser needed (although posting via http is also available), you can >>>> use any news client (i.e., Thunderbird), create a new "News" account >>>> and configure Gmane as news server (with the above mentioned host name >>>> and port), choose the group you want to follow and get/post messages as >>>> usual :-) >>> >>> Yes, I have TB set up that way. But I see that in the header that you >>> sent the message from gmail, so how did you address it, not to >>> debian-user@lists.debian.org, but to Gmane's NNTP server, how? >> >> I send the messages to "gmane.linux.debian.user" (Gmane group for this >> mailing list). Then, Gmane performs its magic and transforms it into the >> real mailing list "To:" address (debian-user[at]lists.debian.org). > >I still take it that you send from gmail. No. The first thing that you should realize is that the "From" header is not to be trusted. In a capable mail client, you can set it to whatever you desire, even if you are sending through a different server. I send all outgoing mail through my own server (mail.iguanasuicide.net, port 587, authentication required) even if it is "From" my @gmail.com or @novell.com address. Looking at the other headers, particularly the "Received" headers, there's no indication that the message ever touched a google system. The first received header was added my my server, so I trust that one. The next received header has a "by" that matches a "Received" header I trust, so I trust that "by". liszt.d.o is generally trustworthy, so that covers the rest of that "Received" header as well as the next 3. The next two received headers are most likely Gmane internal processing. The last is probably the original NNTP post; "noelamac" is "camaleon" backwards; Camaleón probably uses it as a username or hostname. >But "gmane.linux.debian.user" is an incomplete address! gmane.linux.debian.user is the name of a *newsgroup*. Gmane takes posts to that newsgroups, munges them a bit, and sends them to debian-user@list.d.o. Gmane is also subscribed to the list, and takes message from the list, munges them a bit, and posts them to gmane.linux.debian.user. This allows people that prefer the NNTP protocol to participate as peers with the majority of the mailing list that uses SMTP + POP/IMAP. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
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