tried to run software sources from the gnome menus, and it bombs out, but I can do it from the command line using synaptic. here is the entry from the messages log: Nov 26 06:48:17 paulandcilla kernel: [1553414.868785] update-manager[31382]: segfault at c ip b6c43f0e sp bf88f430 error 4 in libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2000.0[b6be7000+93000] tried google, didn't see anything relevant to my situation.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800