Fwd: Re: Kde 3.5 ...
I seem not to have forwarded this, although I forwarded the others. And
Dotan seems to have circulated it, but not to here. So, for completeness in
the thread, herewith:
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Subject: Re: Kde 3.5 ...
Date: Friday 07 May 2010
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>
To: Lisi <lisi.reisz@gmail.com>, debian-kde@lists.debian.org
On 7 May 2010 19:54, Lisi <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That boils down to "it's on by default". Just go turn them off.
>
> But I have to _look_ at them to turn them off. In KDE 3 I do not. I can turn
> them off without ever having to see them.
>
Yes, you do have to look at them once.
>> And
>
>> the defaults do not have wobbly windows, wavy effects, or anything
>
>> shimmering. Nothing spins either, but the Alt-tab dialogue does slide.
>
>> There is plenty of transparency, though, and I hate that too. So I
>
>> turn it off.
>
>>
>
>> My mother suffers from what she calls "vertigo" and the effects do not
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>> upset her. Nor do they upset the autistics that I volunteer with. They
>
>> are merely an annoyance to those annoyed by them, nothing wild.
>
> Bully for your mother and your autistics. They make me feel sick and trigger
> a bad headache.
>
The effects do make you feel sick? The only effects you will see to
get to the System Settings is the transparency. I have a lot of
experience in environmentally-induced reactions (my mother, autistics,
and by the way I am a trained medic though I currently do not work in
the field), and I simply do not believe that transparency will cause a
reaction. Nothing flashes or spins, which are the two established and
recognized visual triggers.
>> It works that way in KDE 4 as well, so long as you have opened them
>
>> from Krunner in the past. That is how I open all my applications.
>
> They do not. They are much more complicated than in KDE 3 and you have to
> type more to be offered anything.
>
You are right, you must type the first three letters in KDE 4.
>> > 4. Alt+F1 does not bring up the menu.
>
>>
>
>> It's Alt-F5 for the Kmenu. Has been since KDE 3 I think.
>
> No, it's alt+F1 in KDE 3.5.x. Alt+F5, which I also like and use a lot,
> brings up a list of running windows.
>
Thanks, I'm a good year removed from KDE 3. In any case, you can set
Alt-F1 as the Kmenu shortcut.
>> > 5. Kcontrol no longer exists.
>
>>
>
>> It's called System Settings, and with the Tree menu it's very similar.
>
>> It is being reworked for KDE 4.5, so if you have any suggestions then
>
>> now is the time to make them!
>
> But I don't _like_ KDE 4 and I do, very much, like KDE 3. I like Kcontrol
> better than those work-arounds.
>
That's why I'm here. I'm not trying to push you into using KDE 4. I'm
trying to learn what you dislike about KDE 4 so that I can file issues
and get things fixed. But I won't do that on trivial things, such as
non-essential default settings.
>> > etc etc.
>
>>
>
>> Tell me more!
>
> Why? You will only tell me that I have not got your petrmission to
> dislike/miss whatever it is.
>
No, if you tell me about usability issues, regressions, or just plain
bugs in KDE 4 I will work to resolve them. I have filed or triages
over 1300 bugs in KDE, most for users and not for myself.
> I have not evaded the question. I have pointed out that I prefer things that
> are functional to things that are showy.
You did not point out what is not functional. I am here to fix KDE 4.
I am not here for philosophy.
> As I stated at the beginning. As
> someone else has pointed out, KDE 4 has had 2 years to become half way
> bearable and has signally failed. I mourn the passing of KDE 3.5.x, which I
> regard as the pinnacle of DE's. In other words, we have come full circle and
> are back at the beginning. You have to learn to accept that not everyone
> agrees with you.
>
I don't want you to agree with me. I want you to point out the
problems so that I can fix them.
> And, I fear that the lengths you are going to to try and persuade me that I
> am wrong, even to the extent of telling me that I am only allowed to be made
> ill by something that also makes your mother ill, do not strike me as
> helping me.
>
I am not trying to persuade you to do anything other than share your
KDE problems with me, so that I might get them resolved. KDE 3
holdouts are holding out because they are sensitive to the little
usability issues that make a great desktop environment. I need that
input so that I might get KDE 4 as great as KDE 3. I want to know what
is not intuitive, and what doesn't work.
--
Dotan Cohen
http://bido.com
http://what-is-what.com
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