Re: [Totally OT] Re: Hmmm. A question. Was [Re: Debian is losing its users]
On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Friday 04 April 2008, Michael C wrote:
> >> Ivan Savcic wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> >>>
> >>> <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> >>>> I have a problem with this. Debian, in it's default install is
> >>>> almost assuredly GNU free. And it has the additional freedom of
> >>>> allowing the user to choose to use non-free software within the
> >>>> structure of it's packaging system. IMO that is more free than
> >>>> preventing people from using the software they want.
> >>>
> >>> I had exactly the same view on that. But RMS is obviously a
> >>> purist, he dreams to banish all closed source from this world.
> >>> Like Hal pointed out, RMS believes that there should be no
> >>> freedom when it comes to choosing freedom itself.
> >>>
> >>> Ivan
> >>
> >> RMS is more of a hypocrite than anything else. He morally objects
> >> to distros/*BSD variants with non-free applications in their
> >> repositories/ports systems, on the grounds that this implicitly
> >> advocates the use of non-free software, whilst explicitly
> >> advocating GPL-licensed software for use in conjunction with that
> >> ultimate proprietary platform, MS Windows:
> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
> >
> > I think what RMS objects to is anything that was not his idea
> > first.
> >
> > Hal
>
> Honi soit qui mal y pense!
Merde!
Granted that's just my opinion, based on what I've read and less than 2
1/2 hours at one of his talks (including some time talking to him
afterwards), so I could be way off base, but I did get the sense that
his world definitely starts and ends with his own views -- and
basically contains only his views.
> The FSF's list curiously doesn't mention the GNU Foundation's support
> for the Win32 port of emacs and gcc:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
I admire RMS and a lot of what he's done. I'm currently working on
source for controlling an HD radio in C++ so I'm using gcc, based on
his earlier version and he did write emacs (isn't that an OS or
religion?). That doesn't mean that I think he carries things too far.
But then again, maybe it's that blindness and need of his to go too far
that has achieved what he has.
Hal
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