Ron Johnson wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/07 15:48, charlie derr wrote: [snip]Of course, I would do all this from the (real) console, not a GNOME terminal window.you're just chicken :-]Real Men use the console. I'm not sure what Real Women use.
Yeah, I used to think that way too. But I find that a full-featured X environment is definitely preferrable to the command-line when I have an option (yeah I *can* do everything from a single console if I have to (as long as screen and emacs are installed), but I'm a lot more efficient with a mouse and graphics, etc...). I'm at the point where I really don't believe that very many folks are actually browsing the internet regularly with a text-only browser from a command line. But who knows, maybe there're more Real Men out there than I'm guessing...
(i'm still in the same original openbox session I started in a couple days ago (my one concession was to not do this from my usual busy (50-100 application windows spread across 4 desktops) KDE session)) i did take the extra step of doing my upgrade from within a screen session (inside konsole, not gnome-terminal)Lastly, I'd *never* use aptitude.It appears (to me at least) that that's an irrational bias you have there.Irrational? I was last irrational in... in... well, it's been a *long* time since I've been irrational. aptitude (and wajig) likes to be more than slightly aggressive in what else it wants to remove when you remove a "top level" (not meta-) package.
ahh, right, I do remember that argument being used (in favor of refusing to switch out apt-get for aptitude in general), but I never really bought it -- first of all, I found it helpful to have packages pruned out when I probably never used them, and for the odd case where something I wanted was removed, I never minded simply reinstalling once I realized it was missing -- also, my understanding is that this is a configurable option that can be set in some config file to act any way one wants (the problem was the people were complaining about aptitude's default setting being problematic -- seemed like a really nitpicky complaint to me if it's actually a tuneable parameter and not hard-coded to lock one in to that behavior)
Recent versions of apt-get strike a nice balance by listing the packages that become orphanable by a "remove", and helpfully suggests running "apt-get autoremove". And just "install" the ones you want to keep, so that apt-get stops pestering/reminding you to autoremove them.
Do you really feel like apt-get is fully supported? The last things I remember seeing from developers on the lists (not even very recently) seemed to indicate that use of apt-get is now (and has been for some time) deprecated. Of course, if you're not running sid/unstable, that might not yet be true for the version you're using, but...
be well, ~c