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On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 09:26:55AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 12/13/06 08:07, hendrik@topoi.pooq.com wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 05:53:17PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 12/12/06 16:30, Mike McCarty wrote:
> >>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My recollection of the 1980s MS-DOS world was that Turbo Pascal's
> >>>>> problems were it's small memory model and lack of modules until
> >>>>> v4.0, by which time C had already taken over.
> >>>> Who said anything about MSDOS? C took over when CP/M was the rage.
> >>>> "Modules" are just what I mentioned with respect to "separate
> >>>> compilation".
> >>>>
> >>>> The issue with Pascal is that it is completely unsuited to
> >>>> systems programming altogether, because it has no escape
> >>>> route from the strong typing, no provision for separate
> >>>> compilation, and uses interpreted p-code.
> > I'm not a systems programmer, I'm a DP programmer.  Thus, I don't
> > give a Rat's Arse whether my language of choice is good for system
> > programming.  In fact, I *like* B&D languages.  Why?  Not needing to
> >>                                   ^^^
> >> Bondage and domination?  Sounds like what I call police-state languages
> 
> s/domination/discipline
> http://catb.org/jargon//html/B/bondage-and-discipline-language.html
> 
> > worry about pointers and heaps and array under/overflows trampling
> > over core means that my jobs die less often, which is A Good Thing.
> > 
> >> I like pointers and heaps and arrays.  They really make it possible to 
> >> organise my data in usable form.
> 
> All depends on your problem domain. :)
> 
> >                                   I hate the way C makes it pretty well 
> >> imposible to use these without desperate debugging nights.
> 
> Amen.
> 
> >> That's why I like p[olice-state languages that make these features 
> >> available in a secure and efficient way.  Yes, these languages do exist.  
> >> In my opinion, the majority of the code in Debian could have been 
> >> written more easlily, and more reliably, in one of these languages.
> 
> We agree here, I think.  C is *way* overused in non-system development.

I think it's overused in system development, too.  ONly relatively small 
parts of systems need to break the rules of conventional strongly typed 
programming.  And a decent systems language lets you do that when you 
need to, but not by accident.

I think I'm repeating myself.

-- hendrik



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