Re: Error 21
On 8/28/06, Derek Martin <code@pizzashack.org> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:48:59AM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > As someone who was once a total noob with linux, I assure you a
> > file server does need a windowing system.
>
> To serve what possible need? How does serving files require X? How
> does having X *enhance* the ease of serving files?
I think what Kelly means is that to an inexperienced system
administrator, there are a lot of GUI tools that make overall
adminstration of the server much easier to manage. Even after 11
years of managing Linux and Unix systems, I must admit that some tasks
genuinely are easier to manage with their associated GUI front-end
tools... even if I hate using them, and avoid them like the plague.
The problem with such tools is they rarely encompass every
configuration possibility, and they usually want you to do things
their way. They tend to be a bit inflexible. But, for someone who
is very inexperienced and just has basic needs, it's probably
sufficient and a lot easier than trying to track down what file needs
to be edited, or what man page needs to be read, if you can even
figure out what piece of software does the job you're trying to
reconfigure...
But to say a file server needs X is just silly. What is needed is
user (sysadmin) education.
On 8/28/06, Derek Martin <code@pizzashack.org> wrote:
So... it's the noob that needs the GUI, not the file server. That is
a correctable problem. :)
I accept that correction :-) That is really what I was really getting at,
although I worded it badly. I wouldn't use X on file server. Even on
my desktop machine I do almost all of my config/admin work on
the command line, and vim is my main editor for everything.
But when I was starting out in Linux, if I had tried to set up a server
without X, I think I would have given up. I can't speak for other Linux
noobs but the terminal just scared me. Even just using an xterm
made me feel more at ease (although I don't know why). For some
things, a GUI config tool allowed me to get stuff working while I was
still learning the "right" way to do it.
Also, it is possible to look up Howtos, etc on the web with lynx or
elinks, but even now, I much prefer to use a GUI browser. I can find
what I need much more quickly that way.
If someone was very comfortable with some other CLI, they probably
could dive right in and learn to do everything needed for a file server
on the command line. Or even if they weren't used to a CLI, they
could do it if they *had* to. But in my opinion, a GUI can make the
transition gradual and much easier.
--
Hmm, this thread is getting off topic. Joe, I am sorry I don't have any
insight on the Grub error 21. The info Mihira Fernando asked for earlier
might help us help you figure it out. Anyway, good luck from a former
northwest Montana resident ;-)
Cheers,
Kelly
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