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Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]

On May 1, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Quoting Rich Johnson <rjohnson@dogstar-interactive.com>:

On May 1, 2006, at 12:18 AM, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:

The backlash of 9-11 was like Christmas to the conservative
military-industrial complex and their puppet congress-critters. All the things they have wanted over the years like more defense spending, less rights for citizens and the ability to run stormtrooper like raids on citizens and eavesdrop on attorney/client converasations came true the
morning after.
I call it the American public running scared.

Cybe R. Wizard

You must admit, though, that defense was cut *way back* during the
Clinton administration.  Not only that, but he deployed the military
more in 8 years than something like the previous five or 10 presidents
put together.

Do you mean "more military actions", or "more soldiers"?

5 presidents goes back to Nixon and covers bombings of Cambodia, Loas,
and Libya, as well as various proxy wars and at least one invasion.
10 presidents goes back to FDR, and involves a few _very_ big deployments.

What's the tally behind your assertion?


1975 - 1993: 44 deployments (4 presidents; Ford to Bush)
1993 - 2001: 44 deployments (1 president; Clinton)

Now, on exact number of troops I am not certain.  Obviously Desert
Shield/Desert Storm were huge.  Not only that, but more military
operations under Clinton were complete debacles because the troops had
no sense of purpose.  For exmaple, Mogadishu (let's be opportunistic
about grabbing these warlords when we were only there to ensure
equitable distribution of food) and Bosnia (let's not permit the
fighers and bombers to fire unless fired upon, even if they see
civilians being exterminated).
O.K. But, your assertion was that Clinton used the military _more_ than the previous _five_ presidents put together.

Also, the count seems to tally the 8 (or so) humanitarian operations during the Clinton presidency as equivalent to hostile actions initiated under previous presidents.

Now, no president has been perfect.  But you must also consider that
Clinton's 44 deployments were with a military that was something like
1/2 the size of the pre-Gulf War military.  So, as a *percentage*,
Clinton used the military *way* more than any other president, except
maybe going back to maybe to WW2.

Another source: http://www.heritage.org/Research/MissileDefense/ BG1394es.cfm

They count 10 army operations from 60-91 and 26 from 92-98.  Their
criteria was "outside of normal training and alliance commitments"

Gotta love that. Having 12 or so soldiers in East Timor for a month or so is equivalent to a 10 year, 543,000 (max) involvement in Vietnam. Size does matter! Note that it's also limited to limited to _Army_, this renders Marine, Navy and Air Force operations invisible.

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