Re: call for a vote -- should debian-user mailing list replies go to author or to list?
On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 04:51:06AM +0100, Wulfy wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
}
} >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 06:32:23AM +0100, Wulfy wrote:
} >[...]
} >} I find your side's evangelical zeal a little grating. If you have a
} >} case, make it without calling those who disagree with you "brain-dead"
} >} and "in denial". I thought there were standards of behaviour on this
} >} list. Apparently, they only apply to those who disagree with you.
} >
} >First off, no one called you or anyone else brain-dead. What was labeled as
} >brain-dead was your mail program of choice which does not honor
} >Mail-Followup-To and does not handle list replies elegantly. Even your
} >choice of mail program was not attacked, though I'd suggest that, having
} >been enlightened about the existence of better mail programs you might want
} >to change.
} >
} First, thank you for your polite reply. This is more the standard I expect
} on e-mail lists.
}
} <quote src="Marc Wilson">
}
} Oh, you use a brain-dead mailer that thinks it knows better than you? Your
} loss. Think about it.
}
} </quote>
}
} If the mailer is "brain-dead" and I think it knows better than I do (if
} I didn't, why would I use it? I'd craft my e-mails in a text editor and
} hand send them, rather than using a tool specifically designed to do it
} for me.) what does that make me?
Uninformed. There is no shame in this as long as you seek to remedy it. It
isn't that you knowingly chose a braindead mailer, but that the mailer you
thought was modern and thoroughly compliant turns out not to be. Of course,
now you are better informed.
} I have had some ideas from this thread. It should not be difficult to
} make e-mail clients have 4 buttons: Reply-To-Sender, Reply-To-List,
} Reply-To-All and Forward. Mozilla clients would only need a small
} change in the xul. Unfortunately, I don't program xul...
}
} But even if such patches were produced, how difficult would it be to get
} them adopted in Debian? Or up-stream? I have no answers for these
} questions, but the attitude of Marc Wilson and Paul Smith make it less
} likely I'd ask anything on this list. That makes me sad as this is a
} wonderful resource, squandered by bad manners.
People are people all the world over. The difficulties of getting Mozilla
to improve Thunderbird pale in comparison to the difficulties of making a
world full of people, even the elite who have internet access (yes, we are
the elite, we are among the wealthiest in the world), get along in perfect
harmony. The best we can do is to maintain our calm and rationality and
give others the benefit of the doubt.
} Wulfmann
--Greg
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