Sorry about starting a new thread but I deleted the mail and now remebered how I fixed this problem. Gnome fonts where using a different dpi than kde was. Under gnome-font-properties there is a "details" or "advanced" button, I forget which. Press this and the new dialog will allow you to set the dpi for gnome fonts. I made sure this was the same as I was starting kde with and all was well. Hope this helps, RJP