Re: Going to give it another shot-need more help
Mark Healey wrote:
On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 13:09:24 -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
First off. I am doing this because none of the kernels on the cds
support my nic. Consequently, any suggestions that involve using
apt-get show that the suggestor is a moron who doesn't pay attention.
Whereas I might agree that the person is not paying attention, I don't
believe I'd agree that s/he's a moron. There are lots of messages that
go by on this list. If you mention something in a post, and four or
twenty postings later in the same thread someone makes a comment even if
he's been reading the thread all along, he may not remember that detail
from four postings ago, particularly if he's been reading two or three
other threads that are similar to the one in question.
Also, from the post to which this message is a reply, I'm not sure if
Mark Healy or ScruLoose wrote the paragraph mentioning a moron. We all
make mistakes in quote attribution at times, and have been the victim of
incorrect attribution.
Also, my X isn't working either so the same applies to people who
suggest using some X program to fix the problem.
I know I've responded to Mark a time or two, maybe about X; maybe about
the network; I just don't remember, and I don't keep the messages around
too long, and I'm too lazy to go search the archives every time I need
to remember a detail. If I've offended you by saying things that seem
stupid to you, I apologize. It's not that I'm particularly stupid; it's
that I can't remember who I told what when about what issue.
One thing that helps in this regard is to keep different topics in
different threads, and to title the subject line accordingly. For
example, X issues might be titled something like "X won't start for this
newbie", and network issues might be titled something like "3c59x module
loads, but can't ping". This also helps other users when they go
searching the archives for answers to their similar dilemmas.
So, what's wrong again with your X setup?
Buying another nic card isn't an option either.
Why? I vaguely remember someone saying they couldn't get to town to get
a nic because they have a broken/missing accelerator cable. Perhaps that
was you? Or is it because you can't afford one? Don't have the slots
available for one?
Experience has shown that I'm going to have to include the above in
every post.
Sorry I'm so dense. But yep, I need lots of repetition.
I've decided to roll my own (this is hacker shit that an ordinary user
should never have to even think about) becasue none of the precompiled
kernels match what I have very well.
You're right; ordinary users shouldn't have to think about rolling their
own if they're paying for service. However, if you're getting something
free, sometimes you have to accept the flaws in that product. Debian
coders are volunteers; I'm sure they'd love to have real paying jobs
where they could scratch their itch and yours. Instead, they scratch
their itch because they want to, and if you benefit from it, great!. And
part of that itch scratching for many of them is to solve problems for
you, but that's lower on the priority list for most.
I certainly understand your frustration. I've been there a time or two.
I've learned to blame the hardware manufacturers for not supporting
Debian instead of blaming Debian for not supporting certain hardware. I
hope that lesson has made me a better citizen of the Debian community.
I've managed to get the tarball for 2.4.22 which is what kernel.org
says is the latest stable one.
I need instructions. Someone suggested:
Also check out "The Very Verbose Guide to Updating and Compiling Your
Debian Kernel"
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949
Which was close but unfortunately is apt-get and X dependent.
Is there a site that has instructions in comparable depth that only
depend on console apps?
I would suggest (modestly?) that you read "Kent's 10-Step Procedure to
Compiling a Debian Kernel", which is the bottom section of "README.gz"
in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package (you'll need to "apt-get install
kernel-package" to ge this document). It also seems to be online here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200205/msg02951.html.
It may not answer your questions, but it covers the things that I saw as
issues.
--
Kent
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