On Thu, 15 May 2003, David Fokkema wrote: > Hi group, > > I'm not looking for a flamewar, nor do I want this thread to become an > outlet for all kinds of ass* opinions. I am being very serious about > this. Really. > > So, apparantly, apache holds about 60 percent of the internet server > market and microsoft's iis only about 30. Furthermore, apache is faster, > more stable and more secure. Furthermore, un*x (with for example qmail) > can handle more mails per day with a lower system load and fewer (read > none) mails are being lost. Basically, un*x (or just the BSDs and linux) > is faster, more stable and more secure. AND free. Or so I am led to > believe... > > According to www.unixsucks.com (why did I go there in the first place?), > which has a lot of reference links, this is all not true. I could've LOLed, > flamed this guy and ignored his site, but I didn't. I looked up the > references. I'm particularly bothered about the Fortune 1000 net survey > and the mindcraft benchmark of redhat vs winnt. I read the whole story, > they did three tests. And what's more, win2000 seems to be stable. > > Any thoughts on this? Or (perhaps) better, a site with a lot of > reference links which 'proves' the opposite? Windows doesn't suck. A lot of linux users believe that it should, but it doesn't. It supports a ton of hardware, the 2k/XP line is very stable (as long as you don't tend to install a ton of crap), and the default installations are becoming more and more secure. If you want to setup a vanilla network service (such as email), Windows tends to be easier then linux. From a dumb user perspective, Windows is easier then linux. As for IIS vs Apache, for serving static content, I believe both can flood rather large internet connections rather easily. Dynamic content (asp, php, perl, etc) is a different story, and those tests can be rather setup-specific. The problem with any linux-sucks or windows-sucks website is that both sides tend to dredge up biased tests and old flaws to "prove" their points. FUD doesn't fly one way in these debates. That being said, it might seem a tad curious that I'm posting this with mutt under debian. Why do I use linux if windows is so good? Several reasons: 1) Linux/Unix responds a lot better to non-vanilla situations than windows. My mail system is a case in point, where I am using several systems on the home network, with scripts to filter and cleanup spam, and other scripts to syncronize mail (and tagged spam) between my desktop and my server. Could I do some of that with windows? Probably on the laptop end, although the server end would end up being a big PITA. Given enough time and code, I could pull it off, but why take the extra effort if linux works? 2) Cost and licenses. Keeping track of serial numbers and CDs are not my idea of fun. Windows XP "phone home" authentication tends to cause problems, especially for massive upgrades/reinstalls. Also, I can run an up to date distribution on archaic hardware. My laptop runs woody just fine, even though its a P166. An 80 gig HDD and a hardware modem thrown into another P166 works fine for dialup/mail/news/fileserver. Could I use windows for the same task? Sure, if I upgraded the hardware. Do I want to pay a few hundred more, just so I can do the same thing? No. 3) Usefulness. I'm fond of piping simple commands together to filter files through. I tend to read and manipulate a lot of text files, and the unix command set is just more useful for me. 4) 3rd party tools. Under windows, 3rd party software is a crapshoot, its often buggy, crashprone, or tends to break other software. Under linux, everything with woody just "works". Obscure software I have to compile from scratch tends to work. I don't worry about software A breaking software B. So, why do I use windows if linux is so good? 1) Games: Windows has a wider assortment of games. 2) Legacy software: Some software I use under windows do not have equivalent linux versions. Some tasks I do have better windows software then linux software. Also, there is a lot of FOSS apps ported to windows - Mozilla, gVim, Open Office, Abiword, etc. 3) Finished GUI: The GUI of windows software and the OS seems to be more finished then linux. A simple example would be how many linux apps like to maximize so that they are larger then the displayed window space. Hope that helps, ~ Jesse Meyer -- ...crying "Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!"... ~ HPL icq : 34583382 | === ascii ribbon campaign === msn : dasunt@hotmail.com | () - against html mail yim : tsunad | /\ - against proprietary attachments
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