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Re: lightweight window pager and app launcher (was Re: GNOME == bloatware?)



On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:49:40PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:08:13AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote:
> | On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 10:01:14PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> | > (and a "session manager" that will keep the X session alive yet still
> | > allow me to restart the window manager at will).
> | 
> | I thought a session manager maintained your session across logins?
> 
> I guess that is a better description of a session manager.  I just
> need something to keep ~/.xsession from terminating (thus ending the X
> session).

Ah...my .xsession just ends with 'exec sawfish'.  Killing sawfish will
of course bring down X, but restarting it works fine.

> | I can certainly restart sawfish here and not have my X session
> | collapse,
> 
> How do you start your X sessions?  I typically use gdm with the
> "Debian" session type.  That uses ~/.xsession just like 'startx'
> would.  The .xsession script runs any programs I want run at startup
> (including sawfish, and finally gnome-session).  When that script ends
> the X session is over (X terminates and I am no longer logged in).
> Currently gnome-session is what blocks .xsession from exiting, until I
> choose "logout" from the gnome panel.  In old-school days the window
> manager was often used in this capacity.  The problem with using that
> now is I want to be able to restart the wm at will without affecting
> the "session".

As above.  Also, starting a new WM from the Debian menu system seems to
work, if that's good enough.

> | though the windows do seem to move around a fair bit.
> 
> When I restart sawfish, the windows go back where they were before I
> killed it.

Hmmm...Perhaps this is related to how I start sawfish?  I'm not sure,
but I restart sawfish so infrequently that I haven't really bothered
looking into it.

-rob

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