Re: Easing the load.
Some of your examples could actually be categorized under a
heading of debian-future or debian-directions.
According to David Palmer,
> I have seen what I believe is a need for an additional mailing list, not
> so much for the benefit of the developers' list, but most definitely for
> the sake of sanity on debian-user. I have posted to curiosain
> recognition of their patience with an O.T. situation.
>
> The following layout is for initial discussion only,pending the full
> application being tendered as a wishlist bug report.
>
> Thanking you for your attention.
>
>
> Mailing List Request.
>
>
>
> Basic Purpose:-
>
>
> For this list, is multi-part.
>
> A need is seen, within the context of Debian, for a repository for all
> discussions and notifications that are not list specific. It could be
> argued here that if a subject is not list-specific, it has no place in
> the list. Allow me to supply some examples:-
>
>
> A notification on Debian-User of a new worm variant that sys.
> admins on the list require notice of, as they are running Debian
> servers supporting windows boxes also munging the mail
> headers/filters of the developer who is on the list to supply
> advice;
>
>
> Discussions that become O.T., that although they are not
> technical in nature enhance and enforce the community nature of
> Debian. They occur, so therefore members feel the need for the
> interaction, this would strengthen the community as a community.
> This is especially noticeable on lists with a broad spectrum
> sociological diversity such as Debian -User. I am not referring
> here, to the inconsequential drivel that arises from those
> entities that require a stage to prance on with a captive
> audience to assuage the requirements imposed by attention
> deficiency, there have been conversations initiated within the
> disciplines of philosophy and psychology/sociology, for example,
> and it is to these I refer. The other variety would get as short
> shrift on the new list as being as unproductive as they are in
> any other environment.
>
> There are many highly qualified people in the community,
> physicists, mathematicians, et al, who, if they had the option
> of taking part in non-debian discussion, could ironically
> generate new directions within Debian. For example, there are a
> number of packages of a mathematical nature within the Debian
> programme, these could well be collated into a sub-project. The
> type of list structure that I advocate conceivably forming a
> wellspring for projects of this nature;
>
>
>
> As a migration point for O.T. threads that are creating a
> distraction within the main lists. There are two aspects to
> this:-
>
> (1). The distracting, disruptive influence just stated, and
>
> (2). The carry over and clutter created within the corresponding
> archive. The last thing a busy admin needs when a server is
> down, and she requires the answer to a problem, is to have to
> wade through a tide of irrelevant flotsam and jetsam. Having the
> facility of a list of this nature would have the effect of
> really cleaning up the archives.
>
> Non productive O.T. threads could, with the consensus of three
> other list members (to avoid personality clash scenarios) for
> example, could be migrated to the proposed list, leaving the
> main list to proceed productively, maintaining the integrity of
> the archive. If the thread becomes too off the wall for the new
> list, and after an initial negotiation fails, the
> personality(ies) could be unsubscribed. I believe the new list
> could be as productively essential as any other in its' own way,
> I do not see it as the dumping ground for the collective Debian
> effluviant, just a little further down the alimentary tract
> perhaps ;
>
>
>
> As a repository for, and discussion arena of current news and
> affairs relevant to our industry, e.g., Microsofts' latest
> strategy, SCOs' gymnastics, the latest W.S.I.S. Conference
> moves, and etc.
>
> Debian is a community, but as such is also part of the greater
> community and not isolated from it. This world awareness could
> subtly enhance a wide number of Debian community aspects from
> programming direction to security. It would also create a
> resource for such entities as Debian Weekly;
>
>
>
> There are other things that could be put forward as viable reasons for
> the establishment of a list of this nature. I have only elaborated to
> the extent that I have to illustrate the productive potential of this
> venture, and the associated value it could present to the Debian
> project, so as to avoid the hasty labeling of the situation as 'vanity
> or offtopic.'
>
>
> Interested Audience.
>
>
> I'm sure that the number of O.T. threads in the lists are indicative of
> the ability of this new list to establish and maintain itself. The
> requirement is stated by the activity.
>
>
> Also, after subsequent filing of the request to 'wishlist', others
> interested in this situation could send a mail to the bug to register
> interest. Details for this to be supplied in a subsequent mailing after
> this initial stage is complete.
>
>
> ..........................................................................................................................................
>
>
> NAME.
>
>
> This is open to suggestion at this stage.
>
> Some possibilities might be:- Debian- wholistic, debian-adjunct, or
> whatever is felt to have application.
>
>
> RATIONALE.
>
>
> All of the above under the heading 'Basic Purpose' and more would be
> applicable here.
>
>
> SHORT DESCRIPTION.
>
>
> Open to suggestion.
>
>
> LONG DESCRIPTION.
>
>
> Open to suggestion.
>
>
> CATEGORY.
>
>
> I would suggest 'Other' here, but again, open to suggestion.
>
>
> SUBSCRIPTION POLICY.
>
>
> Open.
>
>
> POST POLICY.
>
>
> I would suggest moderated here, principally because of potential
> content.
>
> I would suggest a minimum of three moderators who would have to be
> agreed as regards potential or actual unsubscription.
>
> Any volunteers for moderators?
>
>
> WEB ARCHIVE.
>
>
> I think the answer is no for this one. Not that I don't think that some
> of the threads wouldn't deserve archiving, but I think that server space
> must be given to Debian proper as a priority.
>
> Those that were interested in a particular thread could save it to a
> mail folder/directory in transit. But again, open to suggestion.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
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-- Tony Godshall
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