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Re: Easing the load.



Some of your examples could actually be categorized under a
heading of debian-future or debian-directions.


According to David Palmer,
> I have seen what I believe is a need for an additional mailing list, not
> so much for the benefit of the developers' list, but most definitely for
> the sake of sanity on debian-user. I have posted to curiosain
> recognition of their patience with an O.T. situation.
> 
> The following layout is for initial discussion only,pending the full
> application being tendered as a wishlist bug report.
> 
> Thanking you for your attention.
> 
> 
> Mailing List Request.
> 
> 
> 
> Basic Purpose:-
> 
> 
> For this list, is multi-part.
> 
> A need is seen, within the context of Debian, for a repository for all
> discussions and notifications that are not list specific. It could be
> argued here that if a subject is not list-specific, it has no place in
> the list. Allow me to supply some examples:-
> 
> 
>         A notification on Debian-User of a new worm variant that sys.
>         admins on the list require notice of, as they are running Debian
>         servers supporting windows boxes also munging the mail
>         headers/filters of the developer who is on the list to supply
>         advice;
> 
> 
>         Discussions that become O.T., that although they are not
>         technical in nature enhance and enforce the community nature of
>         Debian. They occur, so therefore members feel the need for the
>         interaction, this would strengthen the community as a community.
>         This is especially noticeable on lists with a broad spectrum
>         sociological diversity such as Debian -User. I am not referring
>         here, to the inconsequential drivel that arises from those
>         entities that require a stage to prance on with a captive
>         audience to assuage the requirements imposed by attention
>         deficiency, there have been conversations initiated within the
>         disciplines of philosophy and psychology/sociology, for example,
>         and it is to these I refer. The other variety would get as short
>         shrift on the new list as being as unproductive as they are in
>         any other environment.
>         
>         There are many highly qualified people in the community,
>         physicists, mathematicians, et al, who, if they had the option
>         of taking part in non-debian discussion, could ironically
>         generate new directions within Debian. For example, there are a
>         number of packages of a mathematical nature within the Debian
>         programme, these could well be collated into a sub-project. The
>         type of list structure that I advocate conceivably forming a
>         wellspring for projects of this nature;
>         
>         
> 
>         As a migration point for O.T. threads that are creating a
>         distraction within the main lists. There are two aspects to
>         this:-
>         
>         (1). The distracting, disruptive influence just stated, and
>         
>         (2). The carry over and clutter created within the corresponding
>         archive. The last thing a busy admin needs when a server is
>         down, and she requires the answer to a problem, is to have to
>         wade through a tide of irrelevant flotsam and jetsam. Having the
>         facility of a list of this nature would have the effect of
>         really cleaning up the archives.
>         
>         Non productive O.T. threads could, with the consensus of three
>         other list members (to avoid personality clash scenarios) for
>         example, could be migrated to the proposed list, leaving the
>         main list to proceed productively, maintaining the integrity of
>         the archive. If the thread becomes too off the wall for the new
>         list, and after an initial negotiation fails, the
>         personality(ies) could be unsubscribed. I believe the new list
>         could be as productively essential as any other in its' own way,
>         I do not see it as the dumping ground for the collective Debian
>         effluviant, just a little further down the alimentary tract
>         perhaps ;
>         
>         
> 
>         As a repository for, and discussion arena of current news and
>         affairs relevant to our industry, e.g., Microsofts' latest
>         strategy, SCOs' gymnastics, the latest W.S.I.S. Conference
>         moves, and etc.
>         
>         Debian is a community, but as such is also part of the greater
>         community and not isolated from it. This world awareness could
>         subtly enhance a wide number of Debian community aspects from
>         programming direction to security. It would also create a
>         resource for such entities as Debian Weekly;
>         
>         
> 
> There are other things that could be put forward as viable reasons for
> the establishment of a list of this nature. I have only elaborated to
> the extent that I have to illustrate the productive potential of this
> venture, and the associated value it could present to the Debian
> project, so as to avoid the hasty labeling of the situation as 'vanity
> or offtopic.'
> 
> 
> Interested Audience.
> 
> 
> I'm sure that the number of O.T. threads in the lists are indicative of
> the ability of this new list to establish and maintain itself. The
> requirement is stated by the activity.
> 
> 
> Also, after subsequent filing of the request to 'wishlist', others
> interested in this situation could send a mail to the bug to register
> interest. Details for this to be supplied in a subsequent mailing after
> this initial stage is complete.
> 
> 
> ..........................................................................................................................................
> 
> 
> NAME.
> 
> 
> This is open to suggestion at this stage.
> 
> Some possibilities might be:- Debian- wholistic, debian-adjunct, or
> whatever is felt to have application.
> 
> 
> RATIONALE.
> 
> 
> All of the above under the heading 'Basic Purpose' and more would be
> applicable here.
> 
> 
> SHORT DESCRIPTION.
> 
> 
> Open to suggestion.
> 
> 
> LONG DESCRIPTION.
> 
> 
> Open to suggestion.
> 
> 
> CATEGORY.
> 
> 
> I would suggest 'Other' here, but again, open to suggestion.
> 
> 
> SUBSCRIPTION POLICY.
> 
> 
> Open.
> 
> 
> POST POLICY.
> 
> 
> I would suggest moderated here, principally because of potential
> content.
> 
> I would suggest a minimum of three moderators who would have to be
> agreed as regards potential or actual unsubscription.
> 
> Any volunteers for moderators?
> 
> 
> WEB ARCHIVE.
> 
> 
> I think the answer is no for this one. Not that I don't think that some
> of the threads wouldn't deserve archiving, but I think that server space
> must be given to Debian proper as a priority.
> 
> Those that were interested in a particular thread could save it to a
> mail folder/directory in transit. But again, open to suggestion.
> 
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 

-- Tony Godshall 



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