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Re: Debian Server Compromise -- A Fire Drill ??

on Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:21:33PM +0100, Johannes Zarl (johannes.zarl@ahl.uni-linz.ac.at) wrote:
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> On Thursday 04 December 2003 17:43, Tom wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 10:15:12AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > > ...  That's why the kernel
> > > developers thought it was just an ordinary bug: they could see no way
> > > to exploit it.
> >
> > That statement is somewhat disconcerting.  The hypothesis is that many
> > eyes detect secure bugs, and here is clear case evidence contradicting
> > that hypothesis.
> <nitpicking>
> Actually, the hypothesis is that many eyes detect severe bugs more likely. 
> So one severe bug going undetected (or in this case underestimated) 
> doesn't disprove the hypothesis. 
> </nitpicking>

It was detected, all right.

I just wasn't reported back to Kernel Development as a security bug

> > One must assume there are more bugs in this class.
> Definitely. Like in every big software-project one must assume there are 
> (severe) bugs going undetected. 

IIRC, it was a prior nonproductive thread with "Tom" which pointed out
seeding and metrics as a way of estimating such bug counts.


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