Re: OT: C++
accu-general welcomes the discussion of any language that uses "{" and "}" and 
has a remarkably high S/N ratio.  They also have the "accu-mentored-developers" 
lists where they typically have a bunch of newbies work through some technical 
book or project under the guidance of one or two experts.
http://www.accu.org/
They also have a bunch of very helpful technical book reviews on their website.
Mike
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