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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Palmer." <davidpalmer@westnet.com.au>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: *plonk* Re: Code of Conduct (was Re: Totally [OT] Re: Opium)


> On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:24:16 +0000
> ben <ben_foley@web.de> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:50:09 -0800
> > "Karsten M. Self" <kmself@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > > on Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 04:49:14AM +0000, ben (ben_foley@web.de)
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:23:48 +0800
> > > > csj <csj@zapo.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:54:17 -0800,
> > > > > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 09:19:48AM +0800, csj (csj@zapo.net)
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:48:14 -0800,
> > > > > > > Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > > > > >
> Karsten and Colin are two completely different individuals, their
> approach to a situation is therefore also going to be individually
> different.
> It's not up to either of them to be 'moderators' and I'm sure that
> neither of them wanted to be. But nevertheless, that was the position
> that the rest of us forced them into.
>
> There was a thread that had nothing to do with Debian extending into
> hundreds of postings. I am sure that nobody resents a little social
> interaction, but when it interferes with the central function of the
> list, that is when it has to cease or find a new environment. Debian
> comes first, it's as simple as that. This is why this list was
> established. If we have individuals here who feel a requirement to
> totally usurp the situation for their own personal needs, then obviously
> they are in the wrong place.
>
> With two individuals in a situation, one personality does not
> predominate, there is an interaction involved. One factor is Karstens'
> manner, but the other is your perception of it. The vocal personalities
> involved at the moment, have a completely different reaction to Karsten
> than I do. I don't mind a bit of straight talk. As far as I'm concerned
> there isn't enough of it in the world, and considering that there were
> more than 'one and a half' personalities still involved in the situation
> after Colins' request for 'moderation', perhaps there is a place for a
> manner that has the ability to cut through in situations of persistent
> idiocy. I'm not saying that the thread didn't have some excellent
> material, I'm saying that it had deteriorated, as I have said in a
> previous post, into a load of drivel.
>
> I got an email from Karsten, not the first one I've received from him
> either, but I didn't feel challenged by it. I woke up, wandered out,
> half asleep, clicked on send/receive, and Karstens' fist leapt out of
> the screen and smashed me in the face. It woke me up, set me up for the
> day.
>
> This world is full of different kinds of people, that's one of the many
> interesting aspects of it. Leave Karsten alone. He's got his own kind of
> value.
>
> Don't worry Karsten, you've got back-up.
> Regards,
>
> David.
>
>
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