i have a ~/.menu directory. the file created is ~/.sawfish/lisp/debian-menu.jl. i assume that the menu is still where expected, because the popup-apps-menu keybinding still works. but the main menu doesn't seem to reference it anymore. the file /etc/X11/sawfish/site-init.d/00menu.jl looks like it should cause the debian menu to be included... andy -- "i'm not eccentric. i'm genuinely strange" - jeremy cavendish