Re: Patched sendmail? testing?
On Tue, 04 Mar 2003, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 11:32:34AM -0500, stan wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 06:15:02AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 08:37:02AM -0500, stan wrote:
> > > > I did apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade on some of my
> > > > machines running testing, and I was surprised to not [pull patched
> > > > sendmail binaries, based upon the announcement of a vulnerability
> > > > in it yesterday.
> > >
> > > Testing doesn't have security updates, and has never been advertised as
> > > having security updates. Are you volunteering?
> > >
> > > <sigh> Someone else running testing in a production environment.
> >
> > And my choices are?
> >
> > As I see them.
> >
> > 1. Run unstable, and have a broken system more often than not.
> > 2. Run stable and have 1970's versions of software/
>
> That's a hopeless exaggeration; I run stable happily on my home server.
> Anyway, if you run testing you need to manage the security yourself by
> backporting patches. I don't believe anyone will ever have told you
> otherwise.
Just to join in...
I'm typing this on a hopelessly crufty old IBM ThinkPad 570, running
unstable.
I happen to admin several machines running Stable, doing such things as
application servers, database servers, development sandoxes, firewalls,
and difficult-to-identify needed machines.
Unstable is sometimes screwed up. Not for long, but it happens. My fonts
under X are still fucked; when I have time, I'll make Gnome apps and
mozilla happy.
Stable environments are that. Security patches are there when needed.
The latest version of YAWebSearchEnginePHP aren't. And I don't care that
they aren't.
For my desktop, Unstable is great. Sure, it is buggy sometimes. I've run
Windows when it was buggy sometimes.
For servers, Stable is great. I sometimes build daemons more current,
and it still is a lot more pleasant than doing so under Solaris, AIX or,
honestly, under FBSD (this from a serious FreeBSD fan.)
If you broke your box running unstable, ask around and you can get
answers to fix it. There's a reason why it is called unstable.
Sorry, I'm in a bad mood.
-j
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Jamie Lawrence jal@jal.org
"You're young, you're drunk, you're in bed, you have knives -
shit happens."
- Angelina Jolie
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