Baloo writes: > crw-r----- 1 root dialout 4, 65 Feb 20 05:21 ttyS1 Did you kill -9 pppd or have an uncontrolled shutdown while pppd was running? > Changing group permissions on ttyS1 results in similar futility. What do you mean? What happens when you make ttyS1 group writeable? -- John Hasler john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI