Re: debian-user-digest Digest V2002 #712
On Thursday 01 August 2002 12:36 am,
debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2002 : Issue 712
>
> Today's Topics:
> HELP: no ttyUSB0? (or how to connect [ bboett@bboett.dyndns.org (Bruno
> Boe ] Re: Holiday arrangements [ Richard Kimber
> <rkimber@ntlworld.co ] how to get irda working? [
> bboett@bboett.dyndns.org (Bruno Boe ] Re: Full-screen editor in /bin
> [ csj <csj@mindgate.net> ] Upgrade from testing to stable by CD [ Tim
> Boregard <helycos@lycos.co.uk> ] Re: Surely there was a better fix? [
> Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> ] Re: Holiday arrangements
> [ Richard Kimber <rkimber@ntlworld.co ] Re: SMP
> [ "nate" <debian-user@aphroland.org> ] Re: printing landscape PDFs
> [ Carlos Sousa <csousa@tvtel.pt> ] Re: [DEB-USER] Re: ot -- Re: Full-sc
> [ Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse. ] sawfish completely broken down now?
> [ bboett@bboett.dyndns.org (Bruno Boe ] Re: apt-get foolishness
> [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ] Re: [DEB-USER] Holiday
> arrangements [ Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse. ]
> =?GB2312?B?w8C5+ralvOK/xry8o6yxo9aky [ "www.gen-select.com.cn" <fdfasfadsf
> ] Re: Root login in graphical envirome [ martin f krafft
> <madduck@debian.org ] Re: Upgrade from testing to stable b [ Tim Boregard
> <helycos@lycos.co.uk> ] Re: [DEB-USER] Re: ot -- Re: Full-sc [ Alan Shutko
> <ats@acm.org> ] Re: Root login in graphical envirome [ martin f krafft
> <madduck@debian.org ] Re: [DEB-USER] Re: ot -- Re: Full-sc [ Ron Johnson
> <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ] Re: VIM Auto Indent [ Nicos
> Gollan <gtdev@spearhead.de> ] Re: [DEB-USER] Holiday arrangements [ John
> Hasler <john@dhh.gt.org> ] Re: Root login in graphical envirome [ Thanasis
> Kinias <tkinias@optimalco. ]
> Hello!
>
> i have my brandnew yopi sitting on my desk, linked through usb to my
> laptop...
>
> so far so good... i see the yopi with its full details with usbview, no
> prob so far...
>
> read through some forums that propose help on that topic, and set up 2
> scripts server side:
> pppd /dev/usb/ttyUSB0 115200 passive noauth 192.168.1.1:192.168.1.2
> nodetach
>
> yopi side:
> pppd notty 115200 noauth 192.168.1.2:192.168.1.1 >/dev/yopy-usb
>
> on yopi side this seems to work, but on laptop side, this fails with:
> Failed to open /dev/usb/ttyUSB0: No such device
>
> i had to create that device with MAKEDEV so maybe something went wrong
> there, as extra modules i loaded usbserial and yopi but somehow those
> tty's don't seem attached to anything...
> Hello
>
> still trying to get my yopi working together with my laptop...
>
> as the usb doesn't work, i am trying the irda port...
>
> now i have a kinda strange thing:
> after running irattach i can see that the system finds the yopi, and
> inverse, then i run pppd:
> pppd /dev/ircomm0 10.0.0.5:10.0.0.15 ktune proxyarp noauth local
> nodetach
> Using interface ppp0
> Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ircomm0
>
>
> but if i do an ifconfig, there's no such thins as a ppp0....
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 04:40:20PM -0400, Phil Edwards wrote:
> > I've read the various user guides, but they don't mention this kind of
> > situation AFAICT. What was the correct solution? How do I tell dpkg
> > that "hey, I've got this .deb sitting right here, I'm just swapping one
> > package for another that provides the same requirements, but it's going
> > to take more than one command to do it, so stop complaining"?
>
> I think this:
>
> dpkg --remove --force-depends nullmailer
> dpkg --install qmail.deb
>
> ... should do the job.
>
> Cheers,
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:43:01PM +0200, Stein A Stromme wrote:
> > [benfoley@rcn.com]
> >
> > | yeah, but much less jovial. don't take it personally. i try to
> > | compensate with well-considered punctuation. you'll get used to it. i
> > | have.
> >
> > Double space after sentence-ending periods would be even more
> > well-considered.
>
> Double-spacing is a holdover from typing classes (and I'm not sure why
> we did it even then). Nowadays, there's no need for it.
>
> Paul
> Hello!
>
> i reverted now to enlightment, since sawfish became completely
> unusable...
>
> after the previous update i had to modify the system rc files of sawfish
> to get my virtual desktops back, but now after the last update, the
> config file was again, overwritten, but this time i couldn't get the
> virtual desktops back, nor could i change in the settings from this real
> dumb click to focus (are there really people out there that like that
> setting???) to a sloppy focus....
>
> so even if i liked sawfish till now, it now has definitely reached the
> level of total unusability for me....
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 12:50:38PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote:
> > I should appreciate some advice, especially in the light of reported
> > difficulties in unsubscribing.
>
> With all due respect to those who have difficulty unsubscribing....
>
> I don't believe a word of it. I run a LUG ( = lots of newbies) and four
> lists off majordomo, and I've _never_ seen the kind of difficulties
> unsubscribing that I've heard of on this list. The only time I've _ever_
> seen this type of thing is when I found that the person simply could not
> follow clear instructions. And I suspect that's the problem here. If
> you've ever done tech support, you've seen this. You tell the user to
> press "K" and they will press "L" and wonder what's wrong. I've given
> users explicit instructions and had them execute them. No go. I show up,
> query them on exactly what they did, and it sounds right. Then I sit
> down at their terminal and do what I told them to do, and it _works_.
>
> I will point out, though, that this might be a reason to implement
> mailmain, since mailman comes with a nice web/GUI interface for users,
> right out of the box.
>
> Paul
> also sprach Crispin Wellington <crispin@aeonline.net> [2002.07.31.1645
+0200]:
> > > you did. bad idea.
> >
> > Why is it a bad idea? Any compromise of ssh will give the user root
> > anyway because it runs at user level root.
>
> accounting...
>
> > > why need it?
> >
> > X forwarding.
> >
> > I use ssh-agent, with
> >
> > alias root='ssh -X root@localhost'
> >
> > And my key in root's authorized_keys.
> >
> > Saves constantly retyping the password
>
> if i ever find a box of yours, i'll have instant root. it's bad for
> two reasons:
>
> (a) you are allowing root to login directly, and that not only from
> localhost. you have no chance to see who actually just became
> root.
> (b) you get an unrestricted root shell. with sudo, you get granular
> control of what you can do. the last time i had to get into
> a root shell was like last year. i do everything through sudo
> and everything works. and yet, i would never succeed to
> `rm -rf /` by accident.
>
> > > sudo sudo sudo sudo sudo!
> >
> > xauth xauth xauth xauth!
> >
> > Or do you use xhost +localhost (shudder).
>
> no need with sudo.
>
> anyway, explain just why xhost +localhost is so much worse that ssh -X
> localhost. it's definitely faster.
> also sprach Crispin Wellington <crispin@aeonline.net> [2002.07.31.1738
+0200]:
> > sudo gdmconfig
>
> i am doing `sudo ethereal` all day long. no problem with X. it's *me*
> running the command with root rights, noone else.
>
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
>
> it works.
> scripsit martin f krafft:
> > also sprach Crispin Wellington <crispin@aeonline.net> [2002.07.31.1738
+0200]:
> > > sudo gdmconfig
> >
> > i am doing `sudo ethereal` all day long. no problem with X. it's *me*
> > running the command with root rights, noone else.
> >
> > > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > > Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
> >
> > it works.
>
> (sorry to jump in the middle here)
>
> 'sudo xfoo' doesn't work for me, either; it's the same connection
> refused error (which is particularly annoying because vim complains even
> when run sans GUI).
>
> I've resorted to the 'ssh -X root@localhost' hack, too, as there's no
> way for root to read my .Xauthority file -- it's on AFS. I've pretty
> novice with X stuff, though, so I'd love to hear a secure way of running
> GUI apps as root that Just Works (tm).
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