Re: Debian: abandon ship?
>>"David" == David Wright <ichbin@shadlen.org> writes:
>> It's not really at all clear that this was where the mistake lay.
David> I never thought I would be advocating more management, but here goes...
David> Debian, as another poster pointed out, has grown from ~50 to
David> ~2000 developers. And those developers, being "geeks" rather
David> than "suits", respond to problems by working harder on their
David> jobs (as I believe Collin pointed out), rather than by
David> strategic re-alignments. Other engineer-centered organizations
David> (HP and Boeing are famous examples) have run into this problem
David> before.
Do you have any data for this, or are you just making things
up? The new pool system is not a reorg? The buildd and rbuilder? the
automated BTS tracking tools? Do you actually know what is being done
internally to deal with the issues?
David> I haven't experienced first-hand the styles of the previous
David> and current RMs, but at least looking from the outside, it
David> would seem that the current RM has been much more effective
David> (aside from failing to take into account the security
David> infrastructure problems) than the previous one in driving
David> woody to release. This would seem to indicate that management
David> can make a difference.
Perhaps the new pools and testing mechanism has something to
do with this, hmm?
David> What about increasing the "management overhead" for Debian?
David> Instead of just having DPL and RM, the RM could be given some
David> minions, there could be PMs for different areas, etc. They
David> would make tactical and strategic decisions regarding
David> releases, and advertise needs as they arise.
We have the boot floppy team, the debian web pages team, the
perl team, java people, the policy group, the debian cd people, the
new maintainer people, the press release folks, the security team,
the admin folks, the list masters, the ftp archive folks, the
project secretary, the ..
All with team leaders and delegates of the DPL.
Have you even looked before you start coming in firing off
proposals without even knowing what the problems are?
David> There, the idea is out there; wail away at it.
Yes. Random ideas, fired off with no concept of problem
details, no idea of the culture, and no work done researching
anything. Guess how much this is worth?
manoj
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