Re: this post is not off-topic
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ben" <benfoley@rcn.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: this post is not off-topic
> On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:16 am, David Wright wrote:
> > Maoj,
> >
> > Nice of you to respond. Although your response seems rather overheated,
I
> > think it contains the core of a argument to which I can respond, so I'm
> > going to try...
> >
> > > We have decided to release for 11 architectures, because that
> > > pleases our muse.
> >
> > Point 4. of http://www.debian.org/social_contract says "Our Priorities
are
> > Our Users and Free Software". I think even you will agree that, prima
> > facie, my argument for optimizing the greatest possible user good looks
> > more consistent with these priorities than your statement above.
> >
> > Do you really believe that the Debian community should not "worry about
> > the rate of return of our effort"? Your argument seems to be that we
> > should not do so, because Microsoft does so (therefore it must be bad?).
> >
> > I think the Debian leadership made a mistake in its decision to support
> > more architectures than Debian could without negatively impacting the
> > mainstream base. Amid mounting criticism from the user base, the posture
> > of many of those invested in that decision has been to adopt a
cabal-like
> > attitude ("this is our project and we deign to let you use it") rather
> > than to try to reach out to the community. Frankly, your statement above
> > is exemplary in this regard. I'm afraid that route will lead use away
from
> > the free-for-all, inclusive Linux world toward the high quality, but
> > rather austere and unfriendly BSD world.
> >
> > > please collect the refunds at the door.
> >
> > I think you are wrong to dismiss me, and so many other Debian users like
> > me, out of hand. I run a large number of Debian machines, including web,
> > file, directory, and email servers, and a computation cluster. I report
> > bugs regularly and work with maintainers to squash them. I participate
in
> > debian-user. I maintain a collection (http://www.metaconsultancy.com) of
> > Debian-centric whitepapers. I would be happy to maintain packages, if
one
> > of the ones with which I am familiar were to become orphaned. If that
> > doesn't make me a member of the Debian community with a legitimate
> > interest in the direction Debian takes, then Debian already is a cabal.
>
>
>
> so your argument is that because debian isn't going in the direction that
you
> want, all other considerations should be abandoned? mounting criticism?
you
> adding your two cents to one other guy? as far as working with the
> maintainers to squash bugs, you seem to have 8 active bug reports but i
don't
> see where you worked with the maintainers to squash bugs beyond the
initial
> report. your collection of debian-centric whitepapers is a collection only
in
> the most minimalistic definition of the word in that it consists of two
basic
> installation advisories that hardly show evidence of anything near the
effort
> that the word maintain, in the context of debian, normally implies. since,
> apparently, none of the packages with which you are familiar requires your
> input, it does appear that your current capacity to contribute is limited
to
> providing this flamebait. do you really think that this, particularly
given
> the rude and condescending tone you adopt, is a valid productive
contribution?
>
> ben
>
>
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