Sam, > you can try es1370 or es1371. i have used either of > these with creative clones. Thank you - This was what I wanted to know Keith -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Keith O'Connell | "That which does not kill | | Maidstone, Kent (UK) | us, usually still hurts. | | keith_oconnell@bigfoot.com | That's just life, I'm afraid" | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+