Re: new to debian have questions
Calvin "Lamer"
Email: evil@debian.org.hk
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:01:30AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote:
> > I use Outlook because I find it to be better than
> > any piece of shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I
> > happen to find Linux rather lacking when it comes
> > to the desktop arena and when I actually have to
> > do work instead of playing, I need something that
> > works. Windows NT (and Outlook, when it comes to
> > e-mail) happen to fit that bill quite well.
When you need to process 10,000 or 100,000 of emails, you will
find linux MUAs fast and robust. however, it's true that Outlook (express)
did the job quite well if mail is to be smaller than 100MB.
I'm a chinese, and as a kind of person claiming 'developership',
i have a house full of debian boxes, and have played all sorts
of source code, yet, i can't find of any way of implementing
chinese-compatible (TM) mail-and-news client - the only
solution i've think of, and yet established a bnit was to use perl
to code all the functions in outlook express into a linux-web application.
however, it's proved to be single-user-only and not usable in corporate
environment. anyone help? (hee)
> Maybe unix is just not the right thing for you (yet).
it's true that UNIX (tm?) is not the right thing for me at this moment, but
rather saying that it's completely not the right thing (tm) for me, rather
i would say that it is not the right thing for my desktop, and , hee
i bear the same kind of theory or philosophy as the original poster,
though a little bit more mild.
>
> No offense intended.
>
eh, me too.
> On unix, if you say that your mua is a piece of shit, it means that
> you are saying that you are a piece of shit, because you haven't:
> - read the manual page, which explains why it should do as it does;
> - read the source code, which explains why it doesn't as it should;
> - figured out how to configure it to not act as apiece of shit, but
> instead make coffee, slice bread and do the washing up for you;
> - written a patch that makes it do your The Right Thing(tm) by default;
> - forked it to use the much cooler foo widget library instead;
> - created a dedicational website, that advocates all its limitations as
> clueful, innovative or "standard" features;
> - tried some of the 500 mailer apps available for linux, some of which
> already do all the above (on the internet, there's always three other
> nutcases exactly like you).
no flames, not flameing also,
- instead of reading those f**king codes, why not use the time
to implement one? it's much easier to write code than to write posts
like this (and this explains why i'm "Lamer".)
> > For my servers, yes, they're all running Debian.
> Seriously, consider learning how to use dselect, if these servers
> represent any economic value.
I don't know where have i seen it, but it's called
a thing which will scare little boy (not exact wordings)
> > On the desktop, though, I need *real* applications
> > that allow me to actually accomplish things.
>
> I consider sed and awk applications that allow me to accomplish things.
> Other people say microsoft word is an application that allows them to
> accomplish things. Likely, they're trying to accomplish different things
> than I am.
very true. but i've written some other weird things like, ASP generator,
with perl.. :)
i love awk when it comes to print $1...
>
> The only question is, what are all the people, who think that they
> need to fire up microsoft word if they want to send an email, trying to
> accomplish? It reminds me of the times when I could surprise people by
> showing that their computer could actually do something else than just
> run wordperfect 5.1 from autoexec.bat (I stopped trying to explain that
> part pretty quickly).
i don't need Microsoft word to send email, i use outlook express, yet
i use TeX/LaTeX (with AMS templates) to do my office word-processing
tasks and they've proven to be beautiful and elegent.
> My favorite example of stereotypically clueless "requirements" for "real
> applications" is where daft management types would argue to me that
> excel is such a great tool and how one can do everything using excel.
Gnumeric did the job quite well, isn't it... :)
// boss stare mode on, email mode quit... reply below later..
> So I would be nice to them and send them data in comma seperated values
> format, thinking that they would be able to import it, being excel
> wizards as they suggested they were. Though luck. It didn't have the
> right filename extension, so they couldn't doubleclick on it in outlook.
> So I help them to save it in the menu and then rename the file (bedazzled
> looks on their faces). Then I tell them "now just import it in excel".
> Even more blank staring. As I show them how it is done, I notice that
> their attention span lasts only half the way. Silently, I remind myself
> to stay away from these people better in the future.
>
> Oh, and then there is the time when I played a little with staroffice,
> to see how well it would handle compatibility issues (very well). So I
> sent some notably clueless people an "excel" file. Instead of being
> happy for it, that they could doubleclick instead of having to think,
> they actually came complaining, that "the data was no good, because it
> had the wrong font face".
>
> Nowadays, I just give a blank stare back and start mumbling about how
> great an application awk is and has been for the past twenty years.
> Then I try to start an argument on the relative merits of regular
> expressions versus file globs. They are long gone when I finish the
> first sentence. Serve with a smile. Do you want sourcecode with that?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Joost
>
>
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