on a dual boot PC, apt-get runs effectively 10-20X slower than win98 ftp's to the same sites, downloading occurs in short spurts followed by long pauses and frequent 'timed outs' - running with Surfboard 4100 to @home - is it because I have a 2.4.1 kernel running an otherwise slink installation (which I'm trying to dist-upgrade)? -- Peter Kidd Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get ya