I just got caught by a vfat property that I wasn't aware of. I know about not supporting certain file properties. I was not aware that you can't have 2 files of the same name except for upper/lower case differences. An example... cp MYFILE.txt myfile.txt /zip/ will result in only myfile.txt on the zip drive cartridge. Guess I'll use cpio or tar archives from now on... (lucky I have mks toolkit on the nt box) Even old dogs get caught napping now and then. hth jim