At which point I would like to say I only use debian. I had to go back to windows because a particular TI development environment was "doze only" and within 15min I was bangin my head against a wall. I have been on linux since it came on 16 floppys, so anyone who wants to "You heretic" me can kiss my rosy @#$% Still you have to admit if there was an inteligent way of moving from text to binary format (like cron??) it would keep two camps happy for a while... Dave