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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.



That's why I said to point to it during installation!

Ron Rademaker

On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote:

> seems like an uphill battle, eh?
> 
> Ron Rademaker wrote:
> > 
> > Try: pt-get install pine
> > 
> > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further....
> > 
> > Ron Rademaker
> > 
> > PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just
> > have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users
> > screen, the amount of question that has to do with it are (mostly,
> > exceptly for some) just TOO EASY!!!
> 
> would you know to read the manpage for 'gribnif' because that
> was just the precise command you needed to clavis your frob
> into the frammistat? not unless something pointed you there!
> 
> if you're looking for a way to mark up text and generate html
> from there, you'd start with your function:
> 	apropos markup
> and voila, you'd know to try
> 	man wml*
> to learn more.
> 
> for apt, there's no way for a newbie TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT.
> here's the newbie perspective, if you've forgotten:
> 
> --------
> 
> 	hum de da dum...
> 
> 	i'd like to upgrade my debian system to a more up-to-date
> 	version. i've learned about the "man" command, but i can't
> 	find the exact command to use for my task.
> 
> 	"apropos"? okay, i'll try that...
> 
> > apropos upgrade
> pg_upgrade (1)       - allows upgrade from a previous release without
> reloading data
> upgrade-windowmaker-defaults (8) - No manpage for this program,
> utility or function.
> wmu (1)              - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
> wmu (1)              - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
> 
> 	hmm. that pg_upgrade seems like it's for some database only.
> 	try again.
> 
> > apropos debian | sort
> Debian::Debconf::Client::ConfModule (3pm) - client module for ConfModules
> DebianNet (3pm)      - create, remove, enable or disable entry in /etc/inetd.conf
> DebianNet (3pm)      - create, remove, enable or disable entry in /etc/inetd.conf
> confmodule (3)       - communicate with Debian configuration system FrontEnd.
> deb (5)              - Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> deb-control (5)      - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-control (5)      - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-old (5)          - old style Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> dh_builddeb (1)      - build debian packages
> dh_du (1)            - generate DEBIAN/du file (deprecated)
> dh_installdeb (1)    - install files into the DEBIAN directory
> dh_installmenu (1)   - install debian menu files into package build directories
> dh_md5sums (1)       - generate DEBIAN/md5sums file
> dh_movefiles (1)     - move files out of debian/tmp into subpackages
> dh_testdir (1)       - test directory before building debian package
> 
> 	dang! how many manpages do i have to wade through to find
> 	if what i want is in here?
> 
> 	okay, i'll be a good newbie and keep looking, but i can't spend my
> 	whole life looking at manpages for commands i don't want or
> 	understand...
> 
> dhelp (1)            - Debian online help
> dhelp_parse (8)      - Debian online help parser
> diald-deb (7)        - diald information for Debian/GNU Linux
> dpkg (8)             - a medium-level package manager for Debian GNU/Linux
> dpkg-buildpackage (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-deb (1)         - Debian package archive (.deb) manipulation tool
> dpkg-distaddfile (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-genchanges (1)  - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-gencontrol (1)  - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-name (1)        - rename Debian packages to full package names
> dpkg-parsechangelog (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-shlibdeps (1)   - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-source (1)      - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-split (8)       - Debian package archive split/join tool
> dselect (8)          - console Debian package handling frontend
> install-docs (8)     - manage online Debian documentation
> isdnconfig (8)       - configure the Debian isdnutils package
> menufile (5)         - entry in the Debian menu system
> sambaconfig (8)      - configure Samba for Debian systems
> update-menus (1)     - generate Debian menu system
> 
> 	package manager? i want to upgrade, but maybe what i'm
> 	upgrading is a package (if you think any average newbie
> 	will think like this, keep dreaming).
> 
> 	aha (says the newbie) i use 'dpkg-*' to install and update
> 	things on debian...
> 
> --------
> 
> CONCLUSION:
> 
> there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, 
> from what i can tell, that would direct any newbie to try to
> use "apt-*" for anything. the only pointers a newbie will get
> is someone on this list saying 'use apt-get'!
> 
> (when i first installed slink from cd, i selected the
> server/extended task, and went back to add a bunch of xwindows
> stuff later. there's no manpage for apt-anything.)
> 
> 
> RECOMMENDATION:
> 	add, to the mailing list dagline 'unsubscribe?' tag below,
> 	one itty-bitty line pointing to a debian newbie help page
> 	on the web.
> or
> 	rotate a newbie tip-of-the-day kind of thing, instead, at
> 	the end of the mailing list.
> or
> 	both.
> 
> plus
> 
> 	why not create a manpage that's called "upgrade" so that
> 	newbies can find it. would that be a bad idea?
> 
> i think it might cut down a bit on the static that always
> points us to shout 'argh! try apt-get, people!' on this list...
> 
> thanks for listening... [just trying to help :) ]
> 
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