Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.
That's why I said to point to it during installation!
Ron Rademaker
On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote:
> seems like an uphill battle, eh?
>
> Ron Rademaker wrote:
> >
> > Try: pt-get install pine
> >
> > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further....
> >
> > Ron Rademaker
> >
> > PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just
> > have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users
> > screen, the amount of question that has to do with it are (mostly,
> > exceptly for some) just TOO EASY!!!
>
> would you know to read the manpage for 'gribnif' because that
> was just the precise command you needed to clavis your frob
> into the frammistat? not unless something pointed you there!
>
> if you're looking for a way to mark up text and generate html
> from there, you'd start with your function:
> apropos markup
> and voila, you'd know to try
> man wml*
> to learn more.
>
> for apt, there's no way for a newbie TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT.
> here's the newbie perspective, if you've forgotten:
>
> --------
>
> hum de da dum...
>
> i'd like to upgrade my debian system to a more up-to-date
> version. i've learned about the "man" command, but i can't
> find the exact command to use for my task.
>
> "apropos"? okay, i'll try that...
>
> > apropos upgrade
> pg_upgrade (1) - allows upgrade from a previous release without
> reloading data
> upgrade-windowmaker-defaults (8) - No manpage for this program,
> utility or function.
> wmu (1) - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
> wmu (1) - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
>
> hmm. that pg_upgrade seems like it's for some database only.
> try again.
>
> > apropos debian | sort
> Debian::Debconf::Client::ConfModule (3pm) - client module for ConfModules
> DebianNet (3pm) - create, remove, enable or disable entry in /etc/inetd.conf
> DebianNet (3pm) - create, remove, enable or disable entry in /etc/inetd.conf
> confmodule (3) - communicate with Debian configuration system FrontEnd.
> deb (5) - Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> deb-control (5) - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-control (5) - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-old (5) - old style Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> dh_builddeb (1) - build debian packages
> dh_du (1) - generate DEBIAN/du file (deprecated)
> dh_installdeb (1) - install files into the DEBIAN directory
> dh_installmenu (1) - install debian menu files into package build directories
> dh_md5sums (1) - generate DEBIAN/md5sums file
> dh_movefiles (1) - move files out of debian/tmp into subpackages
> dh_testdir (1) - test directory before building debian package
>
> dang! how many manpages do i have to wade through to find
> if what i want is in here?
>
> okay, i'll be a good newbie and keep looking, but i can't spend my
> whole life looking at manpages for commands i don't want or
> understand...
>
> dhelp (1) - Debian online help
> dhelp_parse (8) - Debian online help parser
> diald-deb (7) - diald information for Debian/GNU Linux
> dpkg (8) - a medium-level package manager for Debian GNU/Linux
> dpkg-buildpackage (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-deb (1) - Debian package archive (.deb) manipulation tool
> dpkg-distaddfile (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-genchanges (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-gencontrol (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-name (1) - rename Debian packages to full package names
> dpkg-parsechangelog (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-shlibdeps (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-source (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-split (8) - Debian package archive split/join tool
> dselect (8) - console Debian package handling frontend
> install-docs (8) - manage online Debian documentation
> isdnconfig (8) - configure the Debian isdnutils package
> menufile (5) - entry in the Debian menu system
> sambaconfig (8) - configure Samba for Debian systems
> update-menus (1) - generate Debian menu system
>
> package manager? i want to upgrade, but maybe what i'm
> upgrading is a package (if you think any average newbie
> will think like this, keep dreaming).
>
> aha (says the newbie) i use 'dpkg-*' to install and update
> things on debian...
>
> --------
>
> CONCLUSION:
>
> there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink,
> from what i can tell, that would direct any newbie to try to
> use "apt-*" for anything. the only pointers a newbie will get
> is someone on this list saying 'use apt-get'!
>
> (when i first installed slink from cd, i selected the
> server/extended task, and went back to add a bunch of xwindows
> stuff later. there's no manpage for apt-anything.)
>
>
> RECOMMENDATION:
> add, to the mailing list dagline 'unsubscribe?' tag below,
> one itty-bitty line pointing to a debian newbie help page
> on the web.
> or
> rotate a newbie tip-of-the-day kind of thing, instead, at
> the end of the mailing list.
> or
> both.
>
> plus
>
> why not create a manpage that's called "upgrade" so that
> newbies can find it. would that be a bad idea?
>
> i think it might cut down a bit on the static that always
> points us to shout 'argh! try apt-get, people!' on this list...
>
> thanks for listening... [just trying to help :) ]
>
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