I am getting this from proftpd: Dec 28 22:03:04 lilypad proftpd[23923]: PAM-listfile: Couldn't open /etc/ftpusers I never got this until yesterday. I did not know proftpd used that file. Anyone else getting this? -- Andrew ----------------------------- GnuPG Public KeyID: 0x48109681 *we all live downstream*