Have you tried teapot? It's rudimentary; outputs ok latex, not sure about ps. I'm not sure where to get it. I had problems compiling it on debian systems over the last year and a half, but my older binaries are still ok. If you cannot find the source, I may be able to get a URL for you. Alan -- adavis@netpci.com "An inviscid theory of flow renders the screw useless, but the need for one non-existent." ---Lord Raleigh (John William Strutt), or else his son)nn.