Your permission problem may be at /etc/ppp. I noticed the default cron job kept changing permission on me there to root.root instead of root.dip. Then when a normal user (member of dip) tried to run pon "Permission denied" because pppd couldn't read the config files... Take a look, then take a look at cron.daily for the offending line. -- -- Eric G. Miller Powered by the <A HREF="http://www.debian.org";>POTATO</A>!