Re: [Off-topic] What happened to ORBS?
Nathan E Norman <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes:
> Anybody know what happened to orbs.dorkslayers.com? I'd email them, but
> there are no address records for the domain - just ns and glue records.
I got this on third hand:
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:12:38 -0800
From: Alan Hodgson <email@example.com>
Reply-To: Alan Hodgson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: BLOCK: ORBS is going away
It is with sincere regret that I am forced to announce the demise of
the dorkslayers.com Open Relay Blocking System (ORBS).
My upstream provider, BC Tel (the local phone company), has decided
that the mechanism ORBS uses to test open relays (ie. one or a few
small relay tests) constitutes, without prior agreement from the
the site to be tested, Network Abuse. As such, ORBS is now
unwelcome anywhere on BC Tel's backbone. You may write email@example.com
to comment on this position, if you'd like. Obviously ORBS cannot
function if I have to receive approval from each site prior to
testing them. At least, that's what BC Tel claims their demand
for killing ORBS is based on (personally, I think they just don't
like having to answer the odd abuse complaint; they can't actually
be that ignorant).
Unfortunately, through predatory pricing and other phone-companyish
techniques, BC Tel provides the sole connectivity to 80-90% of the
ISP's here in Vancouver. This includes _all_ the local ISP's who
I have contacts with and who would be willing to host ORBS, as well
as my employer, who has asked me to remove ORBS from their network
due to BC Tel's demands (and some legal concerns due to our
relationship). As such, without actually paying for a co-locate
or bandwidth contact, ORBS is now not able to live in Vancouver.
I am not prepared to make that financial commitment to ORBS.
I have known that my employer wishes ORBS gone for some time. I had
co-located a server with another ISP and was moving the final
pieces of ORBS to them this weekend when I found out the extent of
BC Tel's objection to ORBS. As I did not wish to get the new
ISP into a fight with BC Tel over a non-paying customer, I cancelled
the move (most of their employees are ex-coworkers from a previous
job). A site I had previously arranged a home with does not
receive connectivity from BC Tel, but the guy I knew there
left at an inopportune moment. He and I actually jointly built
the server that is now installed at the latest ISP who, unfortunately,
does receive connectivity from BC Tel. It's been a stressful
6 weeks, put it that way.
Anyway, unless BC Tel changes their mind in the near future, or an
ISP in Vancouver who does not receive connectivity from BC Tel offers
to provide ORBS with a free home, ORBS is dead. The web site will
disappear today. The DNS zone will be emptied today and the
zone will completely disappear in the near future. I strongly
recommend that you disable ORBS in your MTA and local configurations
as soon as possible to avoid any potential problems. Those of you
who provide official slave sites for ORBS, please don't disable the
zone for at least 2 weeks. I'll try to get in touch with you
before then to arrange disposition of the zone.
If anyone wishes to take over ORBS I will happily provide them with
the database, web site, domain names (I recently registered ORBS.ORG
and was in the process of migrating to it), scripts and technical help to
get it all installed and running. I will also be available for on-going
help if desired (this might be good - getting rid of day-to-day
maintenance would give me a chance to focus on improvements to the
testing mechanism and stuff I've been meaning to do). Please contact
me privately if interested. You will need at least a pentium-class system
running UNIX of some sort (everything is written in Perl except one
C script that has been tested on both Linux and NetBSD), Apache, BIND 8.1.x,
a database with a DBI module, 20-30MB of free RAM, and probably 25% of a T1
connection to adequately host the site and serve zone transfers.
If no one steps forward, however, ORBS will be gone forever.
It's been fun, folks. Thanks once again to everyone who has written
over the last 6 months with words of advice and support. You've
made the abusive and clueless messages from blocked relay sites
Thanks also to everyone who has supported ORBS, through providing
slave name servers, including support for ORBS in their products,
etc. I understand that the latest Sendmail distribution even has
ORBS support. I very sincerely apologize to all of you who will
thus be impacted by the dissolution of ORBS. At least we got
a few relays closed down and raised awareness of the problem
to a new level.
Please, if you know any sites that are using ORBS who may not receive
this notice through the standard channels, can you let them know of
of this announcement ASAP. I would like to minimize the problems
associated with this change as much as possible. I already feel
about as bad as I can stand - finding out this change caused undue
mail disruptions to anyone (other than the obvious increase in
incoming spam) would be very bad news indeed.
A few statistics from the 6 months of ORBS operation:
Open relays currently listed by ORBS: 48636 (this appears to have levelled
off about a month ago, it's been fluctating between 47,000 and 50,000
Relays reported as closed and tested as closed after being added
to ORBS: ~15,000 (no idea how many fixed their relays because of
ORBS, but it's still pretty impressive)
Largest providers still operating known open relays: Netcom, MSN, GTE
Average claim of amount of spam blocked by ORBS on sites using it: 55-60%
I know that at least one has offered to take over.
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- citat RockBear